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06-13-2011 , 12:11 AM
I have a few questions regarding the importance of game selection for a professional player.

1) First off, simply state the importance of game selection?

2) How long should you give a game, before you decide that it is not worth continuing?

3) What is the epitome of a good game for a loose player?

4) What is the epitome of a good game for a tight player?

5) What is plays a bigger role the # of fish or how a game that has action.
(if you can choose between a game with lots of fish, but limited action, or a game with solid play but tons of action, which do you choose?)

6) Do you vary the type of game you look for?
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06-13-2011 , 12:34 AM
1. important somewhat but if you're gonna get better game selecting too much can be a bad thing

2. If you know the regs it's pretty easy to know how good a game is before you ever sit down

3. lots of fish

4. lots of fish

5. lots of fish

6. Always look for max fish and min good regs
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06-13-2011 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by thenutcase87
I have a few questions regarding the importance of game selection for a professional player.

1) First off, simply state the importance of game selection?
very important - sometimes a lower stake game could be more profitable per hour then the higher stake

2) How long should you give a game, before you decide that it is not worth continuing?
well if you dont know off the bat the players, then youll need a couple hours to figure things out
3) What is the epitome of a good game for a loose player?
a bunch of nits id imagine
4) What is the epitome of a good game for a tight player?
a bunch of loose fish
5) What is plays a bigger role the # of fish or how a game that has action.
(if you can choose between a game with lots of fish, but limited action, or a game with solid play but tons of action, which do you choose?)
easily the fish
6) Do you vary the type of game you look for?
just look for something that makes me the most money
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06-13-2011 , 02:23 PM
fish is kind of a broad term.

there are:

- spewy bad Lags that create tons of action
- loose passive fish that call a ton pre/flop only to fold to turn and river aggression
- nut peddling nits

It's easy to beat up on a table of nut peddlers and passive fish, but the best games usually have one bad LAG in them. It's amazing how one aggro monkey can really turn the dynamic of a good game into a GREAT game.
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06-13-2011 , 03:55 PM
Position! You need to have a good position!

This is a part of the game selection. Good table + bad seat=bad table.
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06-13-2011 , 04:04 PM
Business attire and/or alcohol.
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06-13-2011 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
Business attire and/or alcohol.
I drink a ton when I play.

Feel free to bumhunt me
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06-13-2011 , 04:07 PM
Not me- never touch the stuff.
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06-13-2011 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by apology7
fish is kind of a broad term.

there are:

- spewy bad Lags that create tons of action
- loose passive fish that call a ton pre/flop only to fold to turn and river aggression
- nut peddling nits

It's easy to beat up on a table of nut peddlers and passive fish, but the best games usually have one bad LAG in them. It's amazing how one aggro monkey can really turn the dynamic of a good game into a GREAT game.
this
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06-13-2011 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend
Position! You need to have a good position!

This is a part of the game selection. Good table + bad seat=bad table.
and this
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06-14-2011 , 02:13 PM
This isn't micros this is mid-high if you're at a table with fish it's a good table. I guess if there's a ton of high-stakes sicko pros and you're oop against the fish it can be a bad table but in general if you're a reg in the game and there are multiple fish it will be an amazing game and if there's one fish in most lineups it's enough to make it profitable regardless of position. Position just makes it more profitable.
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06-14-2011 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by apology7
fish is kind of a broad term.

there are:

- spewy bad Lags that create tons of action
- loose passive fish that call a ton pre/flop only to fold to turn and river aggression
- nut peddling nits

It's easy to beat up on a table of nut peddlers and passive fish, but the best games usually have one bad LAG in them. It's amazing how one aggro monkey can really turn the dynamic of a good game into a GREAT game.
A fish is a player who expects to lose a lot of money when they play because they make a lot of mistakes and good players can expect to profit from.
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06-14-2011 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ReDLiNeMaKeDiKHaRd
This isn't micros this is mid-high if you're at a table with fish it's a good table. I guess if there's a ton of high-stakes sicko pros and you're oop against the fish it can be a bad table but in general if you're a reg in the game and there are multiple fish it will be an amazing game and if there's one fish in most lineups it's enough to make it profitable regardless of position. Position just makes it more profitable.
There are different levels of fishes and what I have seen and experienced, this is a huge and costly misconception.
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06-14-2011 , 03:57 PM
Check the ego at the door. I'll take a deepish, social/drinking, joke telling, loose passive 2/5 game over an "ok" 5/10 game any day.

Disagree strongly with the theory that playing against soft players will inhibit or stifle your development as a player. Poker isn't like baseball or basketball where the best way to improve is to be in a game speed setting. Play in the soft games and study/think about the game and how to make adjustments on your own time. Of course playing against good players everyday will make you better, but why would you want to get better in an environment where you might be a loser for 15,000 hands? The key is to be versatile enough to beat a 10/20 game as well as crush a 2/5 one.
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06-14-2011 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend
There are different levels of fishes and what I have seen and experienced, this is a huge and costly misconception.
obviously. But the guy said that position could turn a good table bad. That means the fish is bad enough to make it a good table but since you're oop it's bad. That's quite simply almost never the case at a mid-high game at all. If you're at a table with a couple whales that make it a good game but they are sitting on your left, it is still a very good game. Obviously you'd rather be on their left but that's not what I was saying.
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06-14-2011 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ReDLiNeMaKeDiKHaRd
obviously. But the guy said that position could turn a good table bad. That means the fish is bad enough to make it a good table but since you're oop it's bad. That's quite simply almost never the case at a mid-high game at all. If you're at a table with a couple whales that make it a good game but they are sitting on your left, it is still a very good game. Obviously you'd rather be on their left but that's not what I was saying.
Yes and that was me. It's not a typical scenario but it's still quite possible and has happened to me a couple of times.

A couple of call everything pre, continue only with the goods and possibly floaty type of passive whales (CC 30-35%) behind you, a couple of wide isolating lags behind them (3-bet 9-10 % here) and position only to TAGs, shortstackers and nits comes first into a mind. The table is great but the position makes every hand painfully difficult to play.

Last edited by Imaginary F(r)iend; 06-14-2011 at 09:56 PM.
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06-15-2011 , 03:09 PM
I play too make money not for easy decisions. If there are several passive whales behind me I'm going to be making a massive profit even if I have to play a bit tighter and will get into tough spots against the lags.
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06-15-2011 , 03:52 PM
"man this seat is such bad luck, o **** that seat opened? seat change dealer!". 15 mins later... "man this seat is such bad luck, o **** that seat opened? seat change dealer!"

no one that matters will ever notice.
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06-15-2011 , 04:42 PM
That's not so obvious, that you would want to be on the left of the whale. A loose and passive opponent won't give you a lot of trouble OOP.
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06-16-2011 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ReDLiNeMaKeDiKHaRd
A fish is a player who expects to lose a lot of money when they play because they make a lot of mistakes and good players can expect to profit from.

from my experience most fish are unaware they are terrible at poker
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