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09-21-2024 , 03:33 PM
3/6 cash game.

Hero (BTN) : $1150
Villain(SB) covers

all folded to hero at the btn who opened to $24 with AsAc, SB and BB flatted. Pot $72

Flop 4d Kd 6h. Check to hero who cbet : $30. SB c/r to $100. BB folded and Hero flatted. Pot $ 272

Turn 4s. Board 4d Kd 6h 4s. SB bet $240. Hero flatted. Pot $ 752

River 4c. Board 4d Kd 6h 4s 4c. SB put hero all in for around $780ish. Hero ?????
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09-21-2024 , 04:10 PM
Looks fine, I call it off since we beat some value and all bluffs.
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09-21-2024 , 04:25 PM
Any read on V?

In a vacuum, with this action he should have neither KK, nor 4X.
I can't imagine any reasonable bluff on this runout either.
On the other hand, he could definitely have 66, but also some KX.

Without specific reads, I think we have to call.
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09-21-2024 , 04:26 PM
The only value hand that makes any sense is 66, and there are only three combinations.

Edit: I guess he could also have KQ/KJ, although betting the turn feels pretty aggressive for Kx after being called on the flop.
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09-21-2024 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Niemand
Any read on V?

In a vacuum, with this action he should have neither KK, nor 4X.
I can't imagine any reasonable bluff on this runout either.
On the other hand, he could definitely have 66, but also some KX.

Without specific reads, I think we have to call.
Lots of dd combos might barrel off.
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09-21-2024 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Lots of dd combos might barrel off.
Difficult to see whiffed diamonds blasting off on this river, but whatever, since it's still more difficult finding value hands other than 66, since it would be an oddly played Kx.

Just call.

Last edited by Always Fondling; 09-21-2024 at 04:43 PM.
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09-21-2024 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Lots of dd combos might barrel off.
OTF yes, OTT maybe, OTR I doubt, but who knows.
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09-21-2024 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Niemand
OTF yes, OTT maybe, OTR I doubt, but who knows.
Seems like a pretty good bluff considering hero doesn’t know what to do with the effective 2nd nuts.
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09-21-2024 , 04:35 PM
Well played and call. He has lots of kings
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09-21-2024 , 09:15 PM
Thanks for the reply. Don't want to be result oriented, but I decided to call off and was shown 43off suit for runner runner quad.

V is a loose agro player, but I really didn't put him on a naked 4 when he c/r me on the flop. I did ask him for his reasoning, and he said his original plan was to bluff me off some pocket pairs under K. When he hit perfect perfect on turn and river, he knew I could never fold a K on the river, let alone aces, so it was a pretty easy shove for him.

I guess the real question or leveling war is that, I know that he knows that this is not a good run out to bluff, and I am very unlikely to fold a King or aces, but he still decide to go with it regardless. Obviously with black aces I unblocked his nut flush draw, but would a busted combo draw really try to bluff off a pretty obvious fullhouse on the river?
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09-22-2024 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyfreakingchan
Thanks for the reply. Don't want to be result oriented, but I decided to call off and was shown 43off suit for runner runner quad.

V is a loose agro player, but I really didn't put him on a naked 4 when he c/r me on the flop. I did ask him for his reasoning, and he said his original plan was to bluff me off some pocket pairs under K. When he hit perfect perfect on turn and river, he knew I could never fold a K on the river, let alone aces, so it was a pretty easy shove for him.

I guess the real question or leveling war is that, I know that he knows that this is not a good run out to bluff, and I am very unlikely to fold a King or aces, but he still decide to go with it regardless. Obviously with black aces I unblocked his nut flush draw, but would a busted combo draw really try to bluff off a pretty obvious fullhouse on the river?
This showdown makes your call look better. Does it play out differently if he has 67? I guess we will never know but if he’s check raising bottom pair no kicker then he probably has lots of bluffs.

I just can’t fold when he’s repping so little and there are so many potential bluffs.
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09-22-2024 , 06:56 AM
I hate his big bet OTT. That might discount some KQ/KJ hands. You're basically only chasing bluffs for $1000.

However, without any additional information, it's a call.

The only issue is that in live poker, you can always find some information about the player. Even if you haven't seen how he plays, you can at least observe his appearance, age, and so on, which can help form a general impression. If there's anything that suggests he's a tight player, you can consider finding a fold.
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09-22-2024 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bellezza
The only issue is that in live poker, you can always find some information about the player. Even if you haven't seen how he plays, you can at least observe his appearance, age, and so on, which can help form a general impression.
General impressions based on appearance, race, age, etc. are going to be unreliable....population characteristics for 1/3 will be much more reliable than trying to predict what "middle-aged Latin man, dressed to impress" is going to do on a wet board when facing a checkraise.
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09-22-2024 , 11:01 AM
Running into 4x here is pretty gross, but if he's a loose-aggressive player you run into a lot of busted straight and nut flush draws. He doesn't show up with a K very often. Like Bellezza said, the c/r and turn sizing makes KQ/KJ type hands unlikely, and AK is 3betting pre. I don't imagine he c/r's bottom pair all the time in this spot though. All three streets are good sizes if he's bluffing. It's not the best runout for him to try to get you off a K, especially if he's blocking flush draws, but I still think it's a call.
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09-22-2024 , 11:59 AM
Grunch:

Curious why we're opening $24 on the BTN. Is that the standard open here? I guess 4x isn't that big, so whatevs.

Any reads on V?

Definitely not folding to the flop x/r. Occasionally I'm 3B'ing. Kinda like a 3B here, when we're the only one who can rep top set that wants to get more value and protect against draws, and V might have KX. If we're beat, we'll find out right away.

As played, V is repping 66/44/64 on turn, and we're basically saying we've got at least KX. Wondering how often V shows up with K6s or K4s, or just KX. Too few better value combos in V's range to fold, and no sense in raising now, so it's just a call.

River is a weird spot. No combos of 64s possible. Only one combo of Ah4h. Three combos of 66, and just a ton of KX.

Reads on V would be helpful. This is likely to be a very under-bluffed spot, when V x/r's flop, and then basically bets pot on turn and river.

Not sure how often V jams with just KX. Like, what is he targeting for value that can call? Is he thinking he's going to push us off AK? I'd think KX would sometimes check or bet small. Even 66 might start to worry we have KK.

Think it's probably just a rage-fold at this point. Can't blame anyone for calling, when we get here the way we did. This is why I'd like to 3B the flop. Once we flat, and give up the betting lead, we're just along for the ride.
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