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08-06-2015 , 05:54 PM
stacks 300

Hero is young money Indian good TAG.

3 caller, hero thinks about raise but call 88 2 from dealer, 1 from dealer call, dealer call, SB call, BB check. 8 player.

8d7d7h

Check to hero. hero?
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08-06-2015 , 06:03 PM
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08-06-2015 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pug Walker
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No reason to play it any other way against 7 people. Someone should have a 7 and there are probably some SDs and FDs that will come along too.
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08-06-2015 , 06:13 PM
Snap fold young money, your against quads
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08-06-2015 , 06:15 PM
i assume due to you asking this didnt go as planned but the deal is try to get as much money in as you can if you don't get pushed the money don't think about it again
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08-06-2015 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pug Walker
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How much?

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Originally Posted by Man ag City
Snap fold young money. You're against quads.
Corrected. Don't worry. English is my third language, but I am willing to help you.
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08-06-2015 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramajam
How much?



Corrected. Don't worry. English is my third language, but I am willing to help you.
this was the nuts
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08-06-2015 , 06:42 PM
I am inthe fence on limping...not so much because it lets the other guys draw cheapl, but moreso because I don't want someone else to raise and find myself in a bloated pot with zero initiative, so I probably prefer making it like 15 pre.

as played I am probably potting the flop and potting any card that makes a straight on the turn.
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08-06-2015 , 07:02 PM
raise pre is best. You don't have to make it huge - but $10 is good. The reason is people are less likely to fold in a bloated pot than a small one. Also you may thin the field and a cbet may work.

If the whole table calls than if you do flop a set you are usually going to make a lot of $$$.

I am against limping with 88.



As played I would bet $10. A lot of hand are likely to call including A high, flush draws, straight draws, and even small pocket pairs. All of those hands are drawing dead and will build you a pot. if you check it is very unlikely that you will get a call on the turn from small pocket pairs, ace high hands and it is very hard for players to improve any ways so a check is pretty bad. I think the only value hand I may check on this flop is quad 7's and even than I may bet it if there are 7 people in pre.


If you are lucky someone has a 7 or a draw. Those hands will not fold to a $10 bet. A 7 may even raise you. If you do get raised please do not shove. Just call
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08-06-2015 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fitzthetaxman
I am inthe fence on limping...not so much because it lets the other guys draw cheapl, but moreso because I don't want someone else to raise and find myself in a bloated pot with zero initiative, so I probably prefer making it like 15 pre.

as played I am probably potting the flop and potting any card that makes a straight on the turn.
I like raising pre here. Depends on our post flop abilities and tendencies/skill of opponents. I'm thinking decent options are:

1)decent raise ($15plus or whatever we expect will thin the field) We take control of hand, hopefully buy the button.

Downside is that if we don't play that well post we can very well spew bad in a bloated pot with a not premium hand. Also we reduce the likelihood of winning a monster pot when we flop a set (vs line 2)

2) pot sweetener to like $5-$7, hope everyone calls and we have a better chance of playing for stacks if we flop a set, sometimes get a free card.

Our hand becomes a little more faceupish, a good opponent can see our raise for exactly what it is and put in a big 3 bet to pick up the dead money. Not many of these opponents at 1/2 so I wouldn't be too worried. With so many opponents not so likely to get a free card with this, especially with this small pf raise sizing.

3) Raise to $10-12 here. Kind of a mix between options 2 and 3.

4) call, mostly for set mining. We maximize our implied odds, but are less likely to be able to get stacks in when we flop gin.

Option 1 or 2 seem best to me depending on conditions.

Maybe someone else can give some input on the best sizing for a ''sweetener'' raise based on stack sizes.

Definitely bet this flop. We have basically the nuts that is not likely to get outdrawn. Checking is bad because we lose a street of value. If someone has a seven we want to make sure we build the pot and hopefully get all their chips. A lot of draws on this board that we would like to encourage action from. My thinking would be ''what bet sizing builds the biggest pot?''

I instinctively probably just bet $15 here. Maybe smaller is better, IDK. A smaller bet might be seen as a weaker hand and encourage a train of callers which would be ideal. But $15 might have the same result except result in a much bigger pot going to the turn.
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08-07-2015 , 10:21 AM
I'm fine with a limp or a raise pre. Bet here all day
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08-07-2015 , 11:19 AM
I lean towards raising preflop. Mostly depends on how sticky the table is preflop (is it going to go 7 ways if I bet $12-15?) and how sticky the players are postflop. If it's a table where I realistically need to hit an 8 to take down the pot, then I'm happy to limp along and maximize my implied odds. If it's a fit-or-fold type of table, I'm raising all day.

On the flop, yes, obvious bet is obvious. There's really no excuse for slowplaying this wet of a board. You can get called or raised by 7s, straight draws, flush draws, and overpairs. You can also get a loose call from a hand like AJ or AQ that thought they were being sneaky by not raising preflop and now think you probably only have an 8 or a draw.

There's $16 in the pot right now. I'd bet somewhere between $10 and $15. Probably $10. That's a small/standard-looking flop bet. I expect it to get multiple callers, building a larger pot than we would with $15.

On virtually any turn, my plan will be to make roughly a half-pot bet. If a flush card or obvious straight card comes, I'll make that a 40% pot bet, hoping to induce a raise. My goal is to set a price that charges people for their (dead) draws, but leaves them thinking they have odds to call. That way I have a good chance of getting stacks if their draw comes in on the river, but I also make the max when their draw bricks out.

There's just no reason to slowplay your boat on a board this wet. If the board was 822r, then there would at least be an argument for slowplaying the flop (I'd still usually bet it, though).
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