1/3 NLHE

V1 - Solid tag has been playing for awhile in this room but doesn't know H that well but has played hands against him yeeeears ago. V1 used to be a monkey tilt spaz but seems to have patched that problem and now is a good well rounded player. 300$.

V2 - Asian 30s guy. Seen him around. Polite and friendly. I know he knows the game but I don't remember much about him as I haven't seen him playing in years either. I think he's a bit sticky and passive compared to V1 (who is more disciplined and can make a fold). But overall V2 isn't bad either. 300$.

Hero just got felted in a limped pot with KJs and is trying to 'mix it up' (I know, I know, but I just want to check if this was really THAT bad). 300$.

V2 straddles BTN to 6, SB folds, V2 opens BB to 20, folds to H in CO who calls with A 9, V2 calls on BTN. 3-ways.

Flop 60 - 5 5 2

V1 checks, Hero stabs for 20 (?), V2 calls, V1 folds.

Turn 100 - J

Hero tries again for 60, V2 raises to 145....

50 BB eff scenario with the $6 straddle, good player & strong range opening in EP, just a fold pre. Flop stab doesn't feel like it accomplishes much on balance. Now on turn : even if V2 will peel flop light a good amount, he'll just kind of show up with hands or call you light on turn enough to make this bluff pretty borderline IMO, and borderline is no good when you just lost a big one. Now fold to the raise.

I don't like the donkout otf and his range is wide enough to have every 5 I would fold to the c/r, esp since he's described as passive.

Stabbing makes sense if you're at a weak/passive table but you described these guys as decent players and relatively sticky, so just give up on flop.

Since you bet flop I don't hate taking another shot at it on an overcard turn but you have to fold to the raise. You don't have enough behind to turn it into a big bluff.

Fold pre check flop.

Why are we trying to bluff sticky players?

As played, this is an insta fold.

I think you picked the worst possible option on every single street.

Curious as to the KJs stack off in a limped pot HH?

Preflop seems a little meh to me facing an EP open for a fairly decent 1/15 of our stack plus a good chance of being sandwiched between the Button straddle and no one in the hand being a moran. I fold but I'm obviously a nit.

Flop is part of why preflop is meh, imo. In position taking a stab is probably fine, but with the other guy still behind us to act it makes it much more meh.

Usually when bluffing I'd like to have some sorta backup hand equity, so not really a fan of our turn barrel (especially against someone described as sticky). Although this certainly will fold out TT- a lot. Pretty easy give up facing the committing raise (although inb4 "I shove, he folds 5x face up", ldo).

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Yes okay. Just checking. I lost one bad one and then got looser. Discipline discipline.

Result:

Maybe you were unlucky on turn, but also (and related) this is a terrible turn card to continue with. You can't (or shouldn't) just bluff constantly when you think they are weak.

Like pre. and even flop might be ok, but you are repping like 43,2x,33,44,66,77,88 and maybe 99,5x.
If you only continue firing turn with cards that interact with that range, I don't mind it ... what to do when K,Q,J,T spades hit turn, or 9x is up for some debate ... but just firing again on Jx is drunk maniac mode, you shouldn't value bet 66 on turn so don't be bluffing so much either.

PF call is ok. It's right on the border so I think fold and call are probably the same.

Given villain descriptions I wouldn't stab here though in and of itself with two overs and a backdoor not terrible.

I think continuing on the turn is the biggest mistake in the hand. It's a clear check and give up spot with your hand.

Fold pre bacause its doubtful button folds and you will be sandwiched. Betting that flop with 1% of hands from in the middle on the flop, definitely not this one. Check fold. Turn looks like he has AA,-QQ or a boat. Not enough left to get him off those

Have you been splashy? If not, then you have very few 5x. Button has a lot more.

Preflop isn't a big deal either way. Flop I like a stab, EP can bet this a lot and you're going after better A-highs plus you can easily fold to a raise.

Unexpectedly OOP on the turn and without picking up more equity, I think turn is now a check. As played obviously folding.

Its generally not a good idea to bluff when people are expecting someone to bluff

That's really good advice thanks, I have to tell the story and Jx is not apart of that story.

The whole hand is badly played. The important part to remember is that you didn't try to mix it up. You tilted. And because you tilted, you tried to win your money back in the next hand, which is usually a recipe for losing more money.

I made a similar mistake last week when I got one of my bluffs called after repeatedly whiffing the flop before that. I caught myself raising 8Ts UTG 7 handed and as I was doing so, one part of me said "it's ok, table is passive", but the other part said, "you 're somewhat tilted, don't compound the mistake". I check folded the flop.

I do meditation and I'm trying to catch myself in this. I think my kind of tilt is almost like a frustration and I get a slight headache. Happens later in the session usually. When you say the whole hand is badly played you think fold pre > 3bet > call I'm assuming? Last night I kept flopping draws, probably 10-15 SDs and FDs that all missed. Finally I was back to even, 10 hours into my session, and I called QTo on the BTN, called a small minclick 3bet (AA or KK from this guy), 3-ways to J-9-9 r, x x I bet 1/3rd for no reason, "I'm gonna hit this time I'm gonna hit this time" call, other guy x/r to 100, obviously a 9. I jam and get snapped off by 89s.

Everyone gets annoyed to some degree. Meditating to not get annoyed in poker in the future is kind of a time waste. You would be better served studying range equities on certain boards. You know what makes you not get tilted? Knowing if you play your game and not chase losses you are going to win in the long run. And the better you are the more true that will manifest itself. Not by spending that time meditating. Meditation is fine as a life exercise, but totally overrated for poker if you arent already elite at the pokers.

The call pre is bad. 3b or fold.

You are going to be playing a <5x SPR pot with the worst relative position since the BTN will be continuing with most of his range closing the action with absolute and relative position.

i think a pre flatting range is probably non existent here. the issue is the btn still has to act with 6 dead so he's very likely to vpip in some capacity and we're shallow and the raise is from early. anything that makes sense to call with (from an ev standpoint) will make more sense to 3b with. as an aside, this is why button straddles are horrible for the game.

post idk man. i think stab is ok we are supposed to have the tightest range of anyone in the hand and no one really improves that much on this board (btn will have trips advantage but not nearly often enough at this spr). and we have decent pair outs and a bdfd. turn is eh. you dont actually represent that many hands that would go for stacks here (are we really to believe u flatted 77 and just go b b ai vs btn?) and i think the ace is a bad card to have in your hand to do this with and also spades are bad as they block his potential floats blah blah. i dont really think its awful though he should have a bunch of random sd's and some lower pocket pairs / 2x / random floats that potentially fold to this. it feels like an overbluff and unnecessary but i dont think his turn folding range is non existent or anything as the thread would have u blv

edit: after seeing results i think turn bet has to be ok in isolation but its one of the poorest hands you could choose to do it with

This is my opinion too. I would play as follows:

Pre: fold > 3 bet >>> call

Flop: x/f

Turn: x/f

I do like the fold once you get raised OTT though.