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03-28-2024 , 08:10 AM
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.

V1 - LP fish that I've never seen before (didn't know he was LP fish at this point but assumed based on his vibe). SB. 300$.

V2 - Straightforward japanese man. Check calls with drawing hands. Loose passive. VPIPing 100%. When he has a huge hand he leads 10x pot. He's stuck for the night and could be tilted. Basically when he bets he has at minimum a strong overpair like if he donks a T-6-3 flop he has JJ+, 2-pair (yes this wide), or a set. Covers. UTG.

V3 - Big papa. LAG. One of the best players in the room. Can read people and sense weakness and put people in spots. No problem stacking off at this level. Plays much bigger games. Views H as a tight aggressive player that he can bluff on good runouts. Loves to gamble. CO. 500$.

H - V1 and V2 don't care about my image, V3 knows my game. Have been up and down a bit tonight, up just a little at this point. LJ. 600$.

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V2 staddles UTG to 6, folds to H who makes it 20 with K K, V3 calls CO (unusual, he normally raises, this is a lot of PPs and hands that flop nicely IP MW like QJs), V1 calls, V2 calls. 4-ways 3rd to act.

Flop 80 - Q T 9

Checks through

Turn 80 - J

V1 leads 100 leaving 180 behind, V2 folds, Hero tank calls looking at V3 who looks like he wants to fold, V3 calls

River 380 - 2

V1 shoves 180, Hero? We have 480 back, V3 has 380 back.
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03-28-2024 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.

V1 - LP fish that I've never seen before (didn't know he was LP fish at this point but assumed based on his vibe). SB. 300$.

V2 - Straightforward japanese man. Check calls with drawing hands. Loose passive. VPIPing 100%. When he has a huge hand he leads 10x pot. He's stuck for the night and could be tilted. Basically when he bets he has at minimum a strong overpair like if he donks a T-6-3 flop he has JJ+, 2-pair (yes this wide), or a set. Covers. UTG.

V3 - Big papa. LAG. One of the best players in the room. Can read people and sense weakness and put people in spots. No problem stacking off at this level. Plays much bigger games. Views H as a tight aggressive player that he can bluff on good runouts. Loves to gamble. CO. 500$.

H - V1 and V2 don't care about my image, V3 knows my game. Have been up and down a bit tonight, up just a little at this point. LJ. 600$.

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V2 staddles UTG to 6, folds to H who makes it 20 with K K, V3 calls CO (unusual, he normally raises, this is a lot of PPs and hands that flop nicely IP MW like QJs), V1 calls, V2 calls. 4-ways 3rd to act.

Flop 80 - Q T 9

Checks through

Turn 80 - J

V1 leads 100 leaving 180 behind, V2 folds, Hero tank calls looking at V3 who looks like he wants to fold, V3 calls

River 380 - 2

V1 shoves 180, Hero? We have 480 back, V3 has 380 back.
Hero shoves because based on OP's description of V3 he can't have AK here + we block it.

Also based on your description of the table/villains in this hand. Pre seems way too small.
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03-28-2024 , 09:06 AM
Prefer to size up more preflop with the straddle on.

Flop: standard

Turn: I think there's an argument for raising here. V1 is Kx heavy and basically pot committed. But V3 can have two pair, 8x or FD. I'd rather not give him IO to draw. Our hand is face-up at this point anyway.

AP River: brick. Just Call. Perhaps V3 can level himself into a bad call with two pair or 8x getting 4-1. I don't think we can jam him off a chop anyway as he gets 5-2 or so to call all in.
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03-28-2024 , 11:34 AM
Well played hand. Just call river. V3 is folding almost always, but might have a hand that can call, or he might get fancy and raise as a bluff.

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03-28-2024 , 11:42 AM
Just call, we don't wanna tell him we have at least a king and maybe AK. We want his action, if he raises we'll jus have to call it off.
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03-28-2024 , 01:19 PM
Big papa lol. I want to play w this guy.

Yea river is a call, we want big papa to make a hero call w something or decide to go crazy and make some bluff raise thinking maybe you just have Qx. Its doubtful, but just call anyway.
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03-28-2024 , 04:14 PM
What do people think of the turn call as opposed to a raise?
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03-28-2024 , 04:18 PM
V1 over-bet the turn. If you raise, you're only getting called by AK.
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03-29-2024 , 04:28 AM
If you get V1 to fold a K on the turn, that is a great result. AK is unlikely for anyone because of preflop and you strongly block Ks.

Maybe raise the turn mostly for protection with the possible flush draw and someone could make a boat with all the high cards out.

Just calling the river seems way best. It is going to be hard for V3 to call without a K anyway. If you raise, you should get worse to fold.
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03-29-2024 , 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
What do people think of the turn call as opposed to a raise?
I think the turn call is fine with KK because I dont want people to fold 2pair and we have the Kc.
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03-29-2024 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by docvail
V1 over-bet the turn. If you raise, you're only getting called by AK.
Okay yea this is what I was thinking in the moment. What's calling a raise here besides AK? And I think V3 CAN have AK at some low frequency just because he views me as so tight and wants to under-rep or trap me. V1 has a lot more AK imo though because he was just clueless pre and then hit OTT and led overpot. Maybe 88 can call a raise though? 98s? A8s?

Thx

Result:
Spoiler:
River bricks thank god, V1 shoves 180, in the moment I thought "there's too much money in the pot now - almost 600$ and if I just call and V3 shoves I have to call anyway so I'm committed so let's just go for value now" and I reshoved AI. V3 folds. V1 shows J 2 and we win. Later V3 says he had draw.
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03-30-2024 , 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Okay yea this is what I was thinking in the moment. What's calling a raise here besides AK? And I think V3 CAN have AK at some low frequency just because he views me as so tight and wants to under-rep or trap me. V1 has a lot more AK imo though because he was just clueless pre and then hit OTT and led overpot. Maybe 88 can call a raise though? 98s? A8s?

Thx

Result:
Spoiler:
River bricks thank god, V1 shoves 180, in the moment I thought "there's too much money in the pot now - almost 600$ and if I just call and V3 shoves I have to call anyway so I'm committed so let's just go for value now" and I reshoved AI. V3 folds. V1 shows J 2 and we win. Later V3 says he had draw.
Seems like you played it right up until you re-shoved. No real point. If you just flat cal,l V3 probably isn't over-calling behind you, as played. He'll almost never raise as a bluff, but if he wants to, let him. We're double-blocking AK, and we could have a lot of worse hands for value here, that might find a fold. If you re-jam, he can only call with the nuts.

Make sure you get V1's number, and ask him to text you whenever he's going to play.
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03-31-2024 , 01:08 AM
Call river, you want an overcall obviously.
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