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four suited w/ mid pair four suited w/ mid pair

06-11-2011 , 06:27 PM
Villain is a a TAG. We have only been playing half an hour, but he raised 4 times PF - once with JJ, once he folds to a 3bet PF. He has cbet with nothing, then checked through river. He sometimes limps his scs and pps

Villain has about $150 as c/o, I have $250 as BB, and we are playing $2-5

I have JQ in the BB. there are 4 limpers, including villain. I check.

Flop ($18)

AQ5

I lead out $15. All fold to villain who raised me to $50. I call

Turn ($118)

8

Check. Check.

River ($118)

10

Check....

My play on this hand was to isolate hopefully one person with the flush draw, and possibly fold out somebody with A and weak kicker. If called by multiple parties, I will have re-evaluate my plan.

When villain raises me, I feel like he has a flush draw. The raise just feels weak. I think he raises A10+ (and most broadways) PF, and think he calls with Ax on the flop, so I am almost eliminating an A from his range. He might be raising with a made flush or possibly some kind to pair/combo draw. My plan is to bet for value on the turn with a non club, and fold to a shove, which I don't think he does unless he already has made the flush. Same on the river.

Once the club turns, however, I am pretty sure he has made his flush. I am tanking a bit to let him know I am thinking about shoving over or maybe inducing him to bet when I have the nuts, but what I really want is to get to showdown. If he has a low flush, so be it, I just don't know if I could get him to fold, and I don't want to risk him raising me with a K or air, or calling my raise with any If he bets it, I am leaning towards calling a smallish bet as there are limited K/J/10 in his range and I don't think he bets a lot of them anyway, so I think he may be bluffing.

Thought???
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06-11-2011 , 06:49 PM
I like bet/folding the flop. As played, I like barreling the river here for 2/3 the pot. I think he would fold a Lower club, Ax, and a set. Now that I think about it. His line screams set of 5s.
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06-11-2011 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sraxi
I like bet/folding the flop. As played, I like barreling the river here for 2/3 the pot. I think he would fold a Lower club, Ax, and a set. Now that I think about it. His line screams set of 5s.
I didn't include a 55 in his possible range. In any event, you think he would fold a hand that beats me on the river with only $95 behind in a $215 pot?
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06-11-2011 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Swanndogg
I didn't include a 55 in his possible range. In any event, you think he would fold a hand that beats me on the river with only $95 behind in a $215 pot?
Yeah but think about it, doesn't it scream 55? Yes actually he has showed weakness when the 4th club came. I think he would fold any ace, two pair, and a set, maybe a low flush.. Maybe.
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06-11-2011 , 08:11 PM
Turn check shows weakness. I think he may have already made his small flush; I know I would raise here on the flop with a small flush, and this turn would be a stomach punch. After he checks the turn, I am looking to steal on the river. If villain is a TAG, why would you be betting for value on a non-club turn? No doubt he has you beat on the flop. I would just fold this on the flop with middle pair no re-draw.
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06-11-2011 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by austinbeerdrnkr
Turn check shows weakness. I think he may have already made his small flush; I know I would raise here on the flop with a small flush, and this turn would be a stomach punch. After he checks the turn, I am looking to steal on the river. If villain is a TAG, why would you be betting for value on a non-club turn? No doubt he has you beat on the flop. I would just fold this on the flop with middle pair no re-draw.
Yeah, totally missed the 55. Because I had seen him c-bet with air/raise pre to fold to 3bets, I thought he bluffed in dangerous spots, and to me it felt that this was a spot where he might bluff raise with a FD as he might think I was tight and wouldn't be able to take a raise

He did have a small flush. Don't know if I could have pushed him off of it, and I didn't want to turn my hand into a bluff...
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06-11-2011 , 09:37 PM
I cant get past flop if u want the pot that bad then 4 bet the flop but I'm folding 2nd pair oop no club against decent player.
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06-12-2011 , 06:16 AM
While I don't think villain is ever nutted here, I also think he's prone to make a hero call a lot based on your turn check.. and the fact that it's lol live poker.
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06-12-2011 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ShadyJ1
I cant get past flop if u want the pot that bad then 4 bet the flop but I'm folding 2nd pair oop no club against decent player.
Agreed, folding flop
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06-12-2011 , 09:52 AM
Fold flop.

However, on river once you get there and he has shown so much weakness I'm inclined to throw in a quite desperate bluff, assuming villain doesn't view hero as spewy/bluffy.
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