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03-06-2020 , 11:08 AM

DannyAIC

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Have you ever done it? And is it actually ever correct?

I did it once about a year ago. For a little context, I was in the BB. UTG raised to 25, and then the old man who hasn't dusted his chips off since 1977 reraised to 150. It took me a solid couple of minutes, but I laid them down. I was right, he showed his aces and couldn't believe I folded KK. But beyond the obvious like this, do you ever lay it down? What are your reasons for doing so?

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03-06-2020 , 11:31 AM

just_grindin

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So many more things to worry about improving your game. Wouldn't waste your time on it or let a table know you folded kings.

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03-06-2020 , 11:36 AM

DannyAIC

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Originally Posted by just_grindin

So many more things to worry about improving your game. Wouldn't waste your time on it or let a table know you folded kings.

It's curiosity really. Just seeing if it's ever come up with anybody, and if they did it etc.

And a bit of a humble brag

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03-06-2020 , 01:37 PM

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Ive done it twice that I can remember. Both times they had aces. At 1/2 it isnt impossible, there are plenty of players who dont 4 bet with anything besides aces or kings and if you have two kings... Agree its not worth really much discussion since its a thing thatll come up so rarely and at anything above really low stakes you should almost never do it. But I do think there are plenty of time that at low stakes live poker especially, you can put someone on exactly one hand

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03-07-2020 , 10:15 PM

Ilimp

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I folded KK once on online games, I got problem with the slider and took too long time to choose a sizing - I didn"t have any time left on my TimeBanks - the game automatically folded pre

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03-08-2020 , 06:23 AM

Petrucci

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Originally Posted by Like

Pretty much this.

I have i folded KK twice pre in about 5000+ hours of live play. Both have been with very deep stacks, and the bets went in a way that i could narrow down villains range to AA only.

One of them is a 1/3 game, where we both play $1500 effective. I open KK in a straddled pot to $25. He 3 bets huge to like $150. Back on me, i 4 bet to $400- and then without much hesitation he 5 bet jams $1500 on me. He showed me his aces after i folded, but i didnt really need to see them in order to sleep well that night.

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03-08-2020 , 05:23 PM

crsseyed

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~6 years ago I wondered about this and thought I'd track it.

Short story, have done it 6 times. By fortunate circumstance all 6 times villain showed or hand played out through multiple villains and I saw results.

5 times villain had AA
1 time had QQ

This was in about 4-5000 hrs live

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03-09-2020 , 04:51 PM

K9Papa

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Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 44

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Originally Posted by DannyAIC

I've seen it done in cash games, but the players knew each other very well.

I think it was about 8 years ago, all the media hype was on Johnny Chan being on his A+ game the 1st day of the Main Event. Here's why they thought he had a really good chance of running deep:

I don't remember how exactly the hands played out pre, whether it was 3! or 4! but Johnny folded KK twice that day, face up & his Vs showed AA both times.

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03-11-2020 , 11:37 AM

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In tourneys it makes more sense, especially something like the main event. Im sure there are plenty of noobs in there, esp day 1, who simply wouldnt reraise pre without exactly AA. If youre a world class player and its early Id even think you could defend folding aces pre tbh

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03-13-2020 , 12:32 AM

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hyperknit

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i did it once and he showed me JJ and now im sworn off it

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03-14-2020 , 05:33 PM

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Czech Rays

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I 5 bet jammed for 1k at 2/4 with KJo in Barcelona Casino because Arsenal had just let in a stupid goal in the game on TV.

Dude proudly folded KK.

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03-15-2020 , 01:53 PM

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DannyAIC

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Originally Posted by Czech Rays

I 5 bet jammed for 1k at 2/4 with KJo in Barcelona Casino because Arsenal had just let in a stupid goal in the game on TV.

Dude proudly folded KK.

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This made my day

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