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Originally Posted by wager9
Thanks for the replies.
Yah this hand I played a little too, I don't even know the word. Here was my thoguht process...
After V1 raised I seriously put him on QQ, KK,AA, AQs+, AK
I actually paused a second longer than I wanted to pre-flop because my reflex was to 3 bet immediately but against this guy, he is NOT folding at best I am a coin flip with him...so I elected to set mine.
Then I hit that set I was mining for...and my brain said "hmm...maybe this Asian guy will bet (he was somewhat scrappy) and the V1 calls or raises and I get it in here or at least get a big pot on and GII on the turn. The Asian guy DID NOT bet. V1 pops the $30 and I want V2 in. I also DO NOT want to scare V1 out as he did play somewhat timid. I called with intention of getting this going on the turn...
the Ace hits...I think "ok I assume he bets again and I give him the bad news. THERE WAS MY MISTAKE. I actually did not think this guy would c-bet without a made hand but did not consider this. As a result, I could have taken AQ and AK out of his range on the flop after he c-bet it. I could have limitied him to AA, KK, QQ. So he really could either have hit his set here or he is probably not going to bet. He checks and I cuss myself out in my mmind because I realize I should not have got fancy on this hand. The Q hits..my mind is a bit frazzled because I made some assumptions that the V's would behave a certain way and they did not and my plan was foiled. At this point I think I mentally let down and was just thinking, I am likely good...I have a set. Once I bet the $45 aqnd he pushed it was just a matter of "ugh...I played this one bad. i am getting 2.8 to 1 though...maybe I made a mistake somehwere along here and read this V wrong, I guess I have to call..."
I called and he shows
In hindsight, and after studying your replies, I actually like pushing the flop here. Or at least donking a fat sum on the flop. He tanks and probably gets it in or at least calls.
CURIOUS HYPOTHETICAL:
if I played it like that...lets say i bet $50 on flop and he calls. And the Ace hits on the turn...do we bet again? Or is slow play prudent here? Because if we bet here and has QQ or KK he is folding for sure and probably going home. But if he does have AK we get value...thoughts?
IMO it's pretty simple, you should basically never slow play unless your in a pot with a super agro player that always bets when checked to. The rare guy that will fire 3 streets w/ nothing. Aside from that bet your hand.
Slow playing is -ev the vast majority of the time. If I have AA and flop A J 5, I'm leading out. If I have 44 on a 4 4 K board I'm leading.
The fact of the matter is, someone either has a hand they want to continue with, be it value or a bluff, or they don't. I want to win the max. slow playing and hoping they pick up 2nd pair or a backdoor draw might gain a single bet at most,(or they get free cards to make some crazy draw and actually win) where as leading/raising when they have a hand gets all the money in.
yes they will fold most of the time. But that 1/4 1/5 time when they actually hit the flop hard and get 100+ bb's in it far out ways winning 15 bb's ott once in awhile slow playing.