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07-08-2018 , 11:19 PM
1/3 MGM National Harbor

Villian ($250) opens small ($10) in MP, folds to Hero ($500) in CO w/ 86 who calls. Everyone else folds.
Heads up to a flop of 49K
Villian continues for $15, Hero calls
Turn is the 3
Villian continues again for $30, Hero calls
River is the 7
Villian bets $40, Hero raises to $125. Villian calls and flips over JT for a bigger flush.

1.) Should we always be raising the river with a flush headsup?
2.) IF we raise on the river and Villian jams do we have to call it off?
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07-08-2018 , 11:33 PM
Preflop is rather thin. When villain bets a good portion of the pot on the flop the best play is fold. With a suited one gapper you are looking for a good flop and all you have here is a mediocre flush draw.

Turn bet is $30 into around $50, a bit too big to call when you only have a flush draw.

When villain bets $40 into $110 you should be raising against all but the most nitty villains. If villain comes over the top you can fold to all but the most bluffy. A river 3 bet is usually very close to the nuts and on the obvious flush board you are not.
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07-09-2018 , 12:32 AM
I don't hate the call pre depending on reads on V and your image, but you didn't give us any information on that. Very relevant.

Look at the turn... you're getting 2.67:1 with a flush draw that *might* be good. To be break even / worth it you need to make another $45 on the river, but V might check-fold a club river or (in this case) roast you with a higher flush. As played the river bet was also too small to make the turn call profitable. You could iron it out a little more if there were some rivers you planned on bluffing but I can't think of many that make sense.

It sucks that they are still barreling into you despite a scary river but you got your draw... readless I guess I am raising since most Vs don't barrel flop and turn with a flush draw (unless KcXc, QJ, or TJ), but I am pretty likely folding to a V jam unless I have some reason to believe he is going for some heroic re-bluff based on our history.
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07-09-2018 , 06:09 AM
Fold pf, but the raise on the river is spew in LLSNL. The best flush you beat is 75s, and odds of the villain raising that or worse pf is very low. Anything worse would fold to your raise and you as you can see, better hands were going to call.
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07-09-2018 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Fold pf, but the raise on the river is spew in LLSNL. The best flush you beat is 75s, and odds of the villain raising that or worse pf is very low. Anything worse would fold to your raise and you as you can see, better hands were going to call.

This seems too nitty. It’s unlikely that a LLSNL V double barrels a flush draw to begin with.
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07-09-2018 , 01:16 PM
Unless we have a huge skill advantage over the raiser and are planning on doing a whole lot more than just hitting our hand postflop, preflop is a fold, imo.

Next time post pot size on each street so we know what odds we're getting. We're not getting great odds on the flop so hopefully this guy is really bad in that he'll pay us off when the obvious draw gets there.

On the turn he's betting $30 into $40, so getting pretty bad odds to chase our flush draw. We're going to have to get about a ~3/4 PSB paid off on the river a huge percentage of the time to make this call profitable, unless we think we're going to bluff busted ones successfully a lot.

Looks like he's betting almost 1/2 PSB on the river. Is he bad enough to bet/call with worse when the obvious draw gets there? If he is, I don't hate a raise, but I'd make it much smaller (perhaps even a minraise) so there is a better chance of getting paid off. Otherwise, this sizing ain't too much smaller than I probably would have gone had he checked to me, so I'd just flat.

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