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Flush No Good ehhh? Flush No Good ehhh?

09-25-2023 , 09:14 PM
Hand: $2/5 live cash. Raise $25 w 9h8h in the lojack and get three callers, button, sb, and bb. Flop AhJh3s. Hero bets $55 into $100 after SB & BB check, BTN folds, SB & BB call. Turn Kh. SB donks $140, BB calls, Hero calls. River Blank (5d). SB jams ~$700, BB folds, Hero tank folds. Tried to get a read out of SB by saying "flush no good ehhh?" to no avail. Very few hands on SB; SB is middle-aged man who seems recreational.

~$700 into 725 is effectively a PSB. I was in the blender here, thinking we lose to all Q / A x flushes and Villian’s never bluffing with this line (donking turn into two). If villains calling Qh10h and Qh9h and virtually all Ax hearts pre and has 0 bluffs here (but I guess jams worse flushes!?), then we still have a profitable fold getting 2:1, right? I figured with my flop bet into three opponents I will have many better flushes to call down here. What is the correct play here? If someone can walk through the combos of value to bluffs needed in Villain's range on this spot to justify a call, would appreciate it.

Happy to post what Villian had later in an edit, but wanted to refrain from now.

Cheers,
ringring088
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09-25-2023 , 09:48 PM
I'd call by default but fine to fold with a read.
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09-25-2023 , 10:02 PM
I think this is a call for me. There's just not much he could have that beats you other than Qh10h. With the A,J,K,9,8 all accounted for. He could do this with all smaller flushes and could also be on a bluff with something like a pair plus flush draw that missed.
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09-25-2023 , 11:06 PM
What Ax of hearts? The Ah is on your board. The line is pretty nutted, and if he's recreational, there's unlikely to be bluffs, only the potential for him value owning himself, the only candidates for that being worse flushes and maybe QT. If flop is AxJh3h this is a pretty pain-free fold. If it's AhJh3s as your OP says, then there are far fewer candidate hands that beat you, pretty much like QT/T7/Q7 of hearts.
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09-25-2023 , 11:25 PM
Im paying to see it. Im giving him one combo q10 and then maybe two combos for all the rest that beat you. So two combo of bluffs is all you need depending on how light hes peeling preflop. Unless Im playing with a guy Ive never seen bluff not sure how you can fold. This is a much better situation to call than the bottom sets that keep getting posted.

This is ssuming its Ah as posted in your OP that came on the flop. Because your second paragrph confuses that
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09-25-2023 , 11:26 PM
He doesn't need very many worse flushes for you to call. You only need to be good a little less than 33%. The only read you have is that he seems recreational, so no way I'm folding here. A lot of recs are too loose preflop and likely to think any flush is the nuts.
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09-26-2023 , 01:30 AM
You lose to what, mainly just QThh, T7hh. Is he playing Q7hh-Q2hh as a preflop flat in the SB? That would seem kinda loose, probably discount most of those. You beat some flushes like 76hh, 75hh etc. I call here.
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09-26-2023 , 02:16 AM
Sorry guys, the board was AxJh3h, which changes things a bit. Also, Villian said he had 6h7h by the way.
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09-26-2023 , 03:16 AM
That's a pretty major difference. If Ah is on the board it's a snap call and not even a debate. If the Ah is available (and we do have a flush not 9-high...right...right?) then this is much more close and a fold is OK although calling can never be terrible
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09-27-2023 , 02:45 PM
I’d call. Villains normally never put you on a flush here. Villains love to put the pfr on AK and if you have that, you can’t have a flush here because the Kh is on the board. Maybe you could have AQhh here but if he’s a rec he could also have a straight here.
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