If he's got complete air (which I'm guessing is a large part of this villain's range), then flatting >>>> shoving cuz villain can't call a shove and we give him a chance to bluff off the rest of his chips / represent the draw that comes in on the turn. Ditto for his pocket pairs (which you've already described). These specific/limited scenarios actually make up the majority of his range for an aggro, IMO (what, we think he's more likely to be on a flush draw or has an A?), so I think it makes most sense to play to these hands since the rest of the possibilities are a wash (i.e. in all other cases the money is probably always going in eventually, so it doesn't matter which street).

Having said all that, on a scale of moot to ain't-even-close regarding flat vs shove, I'm guessing this is probably on the moot side of things.

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I should add to my original post:

This $1/2 game has a MAX BUY-IN of $100. Most everyone at the table is around $100 as well (+/-$20). I've been at the table for about half an hour. I was playing fairly loose until Villain showed up. Picking up several small pots, lost 1 medium pot, putting me slightly above where I started.

If it would add to the discussion...the turn card was:

We're a small favorite against the bigger aces on the flop. If we hit two pair, a straight, or a club, the board becomes significantly more scary for them and they may find a fold.

I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, because that is a benefit of shipping the flop, but I think we're better off letting the villain potentially turn 66-KK or total air into a bluff on the turn.

He's never folding an A if we shove the flop, so even though it is sexier to shove and get it in as the small favorite rather than calling off on the turn as a dog, it's ultimately irrelevant. If we do hit, as long as we check behind it's going to be hard for him to fold the river to our shove unless it goes club-club or club-straight/straight-club. If it's a four club or four straight board, we lose some value there, but I think getting him to turn 66-KK into a bluff is more important.

He doesn't have 18% equity with the hands I'd assume him to fold.?

Lol at this thread getting 4 pages. Get it in on flop or turn. If you can't make up your mind then flip a coin and do it that way. Never fold.

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Buy in full, all in on flop.

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Easiest play in the world.

Flat vs Raise question

Thanks, cause he missed that.

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I would like to thank everyone for the (extensive) debate here. I honestly did not see this taking off. Appreciate everyone's posts.