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01-07-2015 , 05:09 AM
1/2

Pretty late, only a few tables still left running. Most players are drunk or tired or both. Villain is neither. Unremarkable 20-ish white guy. Seems TAG preflop, but capable of bluffs. Won a few pots with the nuts, got caught bluffing a few times.

My image: Should be tight. Card dead and folding nearly everything for two hours. But the few hands I have raised I've had 5-6 callers every time. So no one's really paying close attention. I have about 175bb and cover villain who has about 150bb

Hero: MP $350

Villain: HJ $300


A few limpers to me and I look down at A9. I make it $12. Not an open I'll always make from MP but the best hand I'd seen in a while and perhaps I was losing focus.


Villain calls, button calls whose stack is about even w/ Villain's.


Pot: $40

Flop

3t4


I make it 20. Villain essentially minraises to 42. Button folds.

Feel like there's a lot he could have here. Sets, AT, JJ or QQ, random spazz, a hand like 56cc or 10Jcc. Don't think he would have called pre with garbage like t3 or t4, or even 43. I think about raising but end up just calling.

Pot: $124

Turn:

4



I check, villain quickly makes it $50.


The speed he bets makes me think he's not nutted. I feel like he checks top boat and eliminate 44 from his range. 33 is still possible but I doubt it. Range him closer now to lower flush draws, JJ or QQ, or a T. Feel like my flush outs are still good, and perhaps the A. I call.


River

Pot: $224

A


Guh. I think about it and decide to c/c, to let him fire off a bet if he is indeed bluffing. AT is still very possible, but I now beat JJ QQ or even unlikely KK. He quickly bets $120. Can't really fold here, as played, right? Did I butcher this hand?


Any feedback is super awesome appreciated
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01-07-2015 , 06:51 AM
Why would villain flat QQ pre as you ranged him that on flop. Line looks like 33 Maybe TT. His river bet sizing leans towards that as well. He's probably not betting QQ+ here as most 1/2 villians just won't OTR. Small turn bet and much larger river bet (in relation to his flop min-raise and pretty much same turn bet) only hand that makes sense is 33 or TT when we have Ac. With limited reads on V I am def folding here. I doubt the bluffs you saw him run earlier were 3 barrel...?
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01-07-2015 , 07:49 AM
As played, you just have a bluff catcher on the river. I can't think of any hands he'd raise the flop and bet the turn with that he'd turn into a bluff on the river. JJ-KK seems pretty unlikely. Those hands have SDV and I would think that he'd just check back the river.

56/KQ is about all we beat. I think he's got way more value hands in his range than bluffs. So, I think it's a fold as played.
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01-07-2015 , 08:07 AM
I'm not sure why you think he would check top boat on the turn nor why villain can't have 44 after the turn.

River action feels like AT or a boat. This is a tough spot to fold but probably is a fold vs villain's range (unless he gets out of line too much).
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01-07-2015 , 09:31 AM
Pretty much what everybody has said. Unless you've seen him run 3-barrel bluffs there aren't too many FDs that he can have in his range. This is two pair minimum and I'm leaning towards him having a fooo howww.
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01-07-2015 , 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
I'm not sure why you think he would check top boat on the turn nor why villain can't have 44 after the turn.

River action feels like AT or a boat. This is a tough spot to fold but probably is a fold vs villain's range (unless he gets out of line too much).

I should have mentioned I'd seen him in a very similar spot a few hands prior where he had the nuts and he hemmed and hawed and hollywooded before betting. Here he was betting almost immediately and just seemed weaker. I agree though that he's still probably weighted toward value hands
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01-07-2015 , 06:05 PM
I would hero call here given the reads. His sizing and action does not look like a 2 pair+ hand. He might be bluffing a FD all the time.
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01-07-2015 , 10:43 PM
On the turn Villain bet 50 into 124.

We called 50 into 174 only getting 3.5 to 1 with one card to come.

We overpaid, we missed, we fold.

IMO
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01-07-2015 , 11:26 PM
i normally limp Axs... maybe its ok to raise and mixed up things specially with your image.

I will call flop but fold turn. at this spots with draws, i give up if i don't hit the turn for most of the times we can't get paid if we hit the river. he definitely not folding so we can't even bluff the river if we missed.
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01-07-2015 , 11:37 PM
Definitely calling here, especially given villain info. Well played imo
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01-08-2015 , 03:33 AM
If you felt he was so weak why didnt you shove the turn?

As played he reps so narrow and if he knows anything about bluffing he should be barreling this everytime so I probably pay him off.
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01-08-2015 , 05:20 PM
Raise more pre or just overlimp it. You want to induce folds or isolate 1 player when you raise with this hand, on this table over a couple limpers 12 won't cut it. With your sizing you are going to end up with some awkward stack sizes.

As played, i'm going a bit bigger on the flop. A lot of times when a villain minraises on a draw board at 1/2, they are doing it for information. The awkward stack sizes don't allow for a flop 3-bet with any fold equity on a turn bet. With your image, i'd just 3-bet ship it in. Give him the information he asked for. Your only in bad shape vs. a set, 34s, and A10. He may fold A10 given your image, and sets + 2 pair usually don't minraise. And even if he calls, your never way behind.

If I get to river like this, i'm going to block bet/fold this river to get value from his 10x and weirdly played JJ-KK. 80/fold on the river. He doesn't have a lot of bluffs here.

Last edited by SunChips; 01-08-2015 at 05:36 PM.
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01-08-2015 , 05:54 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone.

Obviously I called and he showed

Spoiler:
AJo



Whatever, I guess. Probably should have just 3bet flop but can't be results oriented.
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01-08-2015 , 06:15 PM
When I post hand ranges I always include 10% of WTF? hands and here's another example of one popping up.
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01-08-2015 , 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C0g
1/2

Pretty late, only a few tables still left running. Most players are drunk or tired or both. Villain is neither. Unremarkable 20-ish white guy. Seems TAG preflop, but capable of bluffs. Won a few pots with the nuts, got caught bluffing a few times.

My image: Should be tight. Card dead and folding nearly everything for two hours. But the few hands I have raised I've had 5-6 callers every time. So no one's really paying close attention. I have about 175bb and cover villain who has about 150bb

Hero: MP $350

Villain: HJ $300


A few limpers to me and I look down at A9. I make it $12. Not an open I'll always make from MP but the best hand I'd seen in a while and perhaps I was losing focus.


Villain calls, button calls whose stack is about even w/ Villain's.


Pot: $40

Flop

3t4


I make it 20. Villain essentially minraises to 42. Button folds.

Feel like there's a lot he could have here. Sets, AT, JJ or QQ, random spazz, a hand like 56cc or 10Jcc. Don't think he would have called pre with garbage like t3 or t4, or even 43. I think about raising but end up just calling.

Pot: $124

Turn:

4



I check, villain quickly makes it $50.


The speed he bets makes me think he's not nutted. I feel like he checks top boat and eliminate 44 from his range. 33 is still possible but I doubt it. Range him closer now to lower flush draws, JJ or QQ, or a T. Feel like my flush outs are still good, and perhaps the A. I call.


River

Pot: $224

A


Guh. I think about it and decide to c/c, to let him fire off a bet if he is indeed bluffing. AT is still very possible, but I now beat JJ QQ or even unlikely KK. He quickly bets $120. Can't really fold here, as played, right? Did I butcher this hand?


Any feedback is super awesome appreciated
PF: I think raise is fine. villian seems TAGish, but being 150BB+ deep, I dont think he's flatting QQ+. Seems to be too much value left on the table. I'm putting his range on 77-JJ, ATo+ KTo+ QTo and some sc's.

Flop: I think villian could be raising with the entirety of his range. You've been card dead and probably seem very tight to him, so its unlikely you hit this flop. A call is good, but i would mind a 3! to 95-100. you also set him up for a turn shove. If called you still likely have 12+ outs.

Turn: based on your timing tell I think villian's min/raise range is toward TP, FDs, 88, 77 and SD's. Is villian capable of firing 2 barrels on drawy boards? his > 1/2 turn bet makes me think he's has more TP/MP hands in his range. I would call.

River: Was villian caught bluffing on busted draws? Does villain like to fire on scare cards? I'm only scared to see AT. There needs to be more infor for this hand but as played I would call.

Hope this helps
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01-08-2015 , 06:56 PM
paperboy do you remember what hands he showed up w/ and what boards there were when he was caught bluffing?
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01-08-2015 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tensor0910
paperboy do you remember what hands he showed up w/ and what boards there were when he was caught bluffing?
Think you mean me cause I posted the thread. Only remember he mucked quickly when called a few times on the river, don't remember the exact board texture unfortunately but it was clear he didn't have much
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01-08-2015 , 08:48 PM
Agree with Sunchips...

Hand was misplayed and difficult because stack sizes weren't given much consideration. Bet on flop should've be around $30-$35...if he raises, then it's an easy re-raise all-in.

Also, like a bigger raise pre or limp.
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01-08-2015 , 10:31 PM
After seeing villain's holdings here, if I had to do it over again I'm nearly always calling with A9 on this river vs this villain :-) Just unlucky.
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