Hero 500$ 1/3 live with JdJh in bb. 2 limpers, hero raise to 18$. 2 calls. Main villain has about 1100$ just came from another table that broke no reads at all.

Flop 55$ JsAc3s. Hero bets 35$, main villain calls.

Turn 125$ 4h. Hero bets 95$, villain calls.

River 315$ 2s. Hero?

Not sure whether to x/c, or bet here. We block AJ but he could have a weaker 2 pair. He could have had some kind of AsXs but I feel he might raise that kind of hand before the river same with sets, not sure. I think we can go for some value but if we get shoved on it's a really difficult spot. So maybe just go for pot control here.

I think the turn sizing isnt bad but maybe could have made it a little more? I figure hes getting a bad price to draw if hes drawing and on a brick river we can shove.

I'll post results later.

Is main V the open limper, or overlimper? I'd size larger pf. I like flop sizing. Turn I don't think I'd go above $80. I like $70 the most. I wanna make it easier for FD and TP weak kicker to call. River, I'd likely x/c. It brought in a wheel as well as the flush. Harder to target weaker hands for value.

Main V was the open limper, he was utg+1 and the other villain was mp.

Yuck indeed.
Although I don’t think there are many 5s in Vs range by the river, I think small AsXs can play this way and are all in range.
What’s in his calling range we beat? 33 I think raises the turn, limp call pre suggests he doesn’t have a big ace to call a third street.. and that’s about it. I don’t think we can profitably bet here for value as I can’t see a lot that calls that we beat.
I think a check call or check fold depending on sizing and and physical tells.
If V bets pot.. are we good 33%+? I don’t know if I can call as he doesn’t have much bluffs in his range here.
Half pot, 25% of the time? Still don’t know.
Tough spot

I think c/c is the right play on river. I love leading for $160 or something but I don’t know how often we’ll value own ourselves here and b/f would be a disaster. Probably calling up to $225 or so on river.

Readless (or with reads that players may not be ABC postflop) and deep I sometimes just see a flop here OOP preflop. Course, I also have a super nit image so turning my hand face up OOP ain't the best idea; if you have a more active image then it makes more sense.

SPR is ~9 which means some large bets on the early streets will put stacks in play by the river (which is what we want barring a bad runout). Stacks are kinda ~deepish $$$-wise so the more we can get in on early streets to leave us with a smaller $$$-shove on the river the better. Board is decently drawy. Unlikely that anyone is going to fold an Ace to one bet whereas most other hands that have whiffed aren't very likely to put in much money anyways. So just target the hands that will. I PSB+ the flop and think we're missing big value by betting less.

Ditto thinking for the turn where again I'm betting more.

On the river the pot is $315 and yet we have $350 still behind which would require a slight overshove if we wanted to play for stacks (and a rather large bet $$$-wise at 1/3 NL). This indicates to me that we've made some bet sizing mistakes on earlier streets.

Pretty crappy river card especially OOP to someone unknown. I probably bet/fold like $75 so long as I know villain isn't capable of bluffing over a small bet (but there are so few busted draws unless he's got a broadway gutshot and looking to rep the flush).

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Guy sitting to my right (not villain) told me I messed up because I should have shoved the turn.. that would have been over 4x the pot. No logic behind that imo.

Do not check call bad rivers. Bet fold them or check fold them. This would be in top 5 areas of improvement to ones game.

This is river is a jam and fade the snap.

Size up turn. Do the math on what your river jam will have to be and size turn accordingly.

Agree with Avarita here. Before reading the spoiler I thought it was a slam dunk bet as Villian has so many Ax in his range and you betting the river could look bluffy in his mind. If he coolered you with the 5 so be it but you missed a lot of value by checking.

Flop bet isn't terrible but I'd bet more. A fairly important aspect of these games is people don't fold hands with value OTF. They don't call preflop with an ace to fold when an ace comes. And in this particular hand, they pretty much have an ace and will call almost anything, or don't have an ace and will fold to almost anything. It's even very hard to have 2ndp. This hand was born to prove this point.

Check call on the river is pretty bad, IMO. Vs do not value bet enough, and call too much. Might even interpret your bet as bluffy because, in their mind, you should check here without a straight.

How many Vs are turning top pair into a bluff here? For the seven on earth who are capable, this is a terrible spot to do it since it looks a lot like you are check calling and it would be strange for them to have a five.

Maybe, once in a blue moon, KQ or some other missed gutshot bluffs.

Check calling will mean you always pay him with his miracle straights and he almost never pays you with his two pair, AK, AQ and even lower sets.

Why is nobody worried about the flush? Sure the straight is less likely but it's there as well, but I feel like jamming the river is a bad idea. Just feels like we are only getting called by better at this point. Most likely no ace is calling (except maybe AK? doubt he's limping and just calling every street with it), 2 pairs can find a fold as well. There are no worse sets here except maybe 33.

Just feel like we are value owning ourselves on a jam. I think bet/fold is probably the best option so we don't miss value if he does have a hand like AX/2pair here.. but a jam looks pretty strong especially considering we are kind of deep stacked vs a very deep stack. IMO x/c doesn't seem THAT bad either depending on the bet size, he could bet thinking 2 pair is now good and it keeps his bluffs in. If he bets 100$ we can get to showdown by calling than if we bet 100$ and get shoved on to be in a tough spot (which he could have definitely played his hand that way considering he had As) but we definitely miss value if it goes check check. So I lean more toward betting. I put him on a draw so when the draw gets there (plus now 4 to a straight) it seems that building the pot ourselves could be a bad idea. He's probably thinking the same thing, if I jam he will be thinking there's no way his 1 pair or 2 pair is good here with how wet the board is now. I feel as if we aren't getting value with a jam from many worse hands here compared to how many hands are beating us now.

We also have 0 reads since he just came from a broken table and he has 1100$ to start. No idea if he's fishy and got lucky to get that stack or if he's a good player. If he's a good player he most likely isn't calling a 1 pair hand or maybe even 2 pair hand to a jam here.

Given the villain limp called, and we didn’t get raised by the river our assessment of his range at this point is AK, AQ and sets make up a much much smaller part of his range and his range is more heavily weighted towards low AX. It feels like we are specifically targeting A3 A4 and I’m not sure how much of his range at this point that makes.
Clearly villain is more passive with more hands than that thinking so in hindsight yes it’s a clear bet/fold.