$2/5 full ring, $560 effective, villain covers.

Hero late 30's white dude, looks younger - has had an up-and-down session. Was called out by a player early for being a nit when in fact every hand for a while were napkins. Having to b/f and x/f a lot in standard spots. Image is neutral to poor.

Villain is a middle-aged Asian dude- loose/passive pre and face up post. Limps a lot of garbage and only raises pre with big pairs (TT+) and AK/AQ. Will peel light. Will only put serious $$$ in after the flop unless he's got a strong hand (strong in his eyes). Doubled up a $120 stack versus hero when he flopped top two versus hero in a button vs. blind scenario.

No reads on the SB, as she has just joined the table. She's a reg, but I don't have many hours of play with her.

The Hand:

Villain power limps HJ, hero overlimps A8ss in the CO. Button folds, Blinds call.

Flop ($20) 885r, one spade. Checked to hero who bets $15. SB check/raises to $30, villain over-calls. The read on villain is he's got an 8, 55, or a straight draw. Hero decides to call as we don't want to 3-bet the villain off a draw and we don't know what the SB is doing so far.

Turn ($110) is the 2s, bringing hero the BD spade draw. SB checks, villain bets $60. How should hero proceed?

Calling and calling most rivers as well.

That is a pretty sick spot very weird stuff going on from these villians especially the SB she feels boaty here, i think youre dead on about villian's range and I think with his turn bet that range doesnt change much, he would still do this with straight draws due to the check from SB and definitely would do it with trips and boats even something like A5? I feel like we have him outkicked with K8 or Q8 or something but obviously thats slim as he needs the case 8 but still seems very possible considering his line... he feels like he is trapping/controlling flop and now has sprung into value mode once the SB unexpectadly checks. I would also include 77/99 type of hands in his range so calling down should be relatively easy.

SB could even have something weird like 22 to after making a weird minraise on a dry paired flop to see where she is at? But that would also mean she could have a number of higher pairs in her range as well and obv 55

I dont see much point in considering anything other than calling down and possibly folding if SB check/shoves turn or donk shoves a nonA/non8 river or something stupid of that sort.

I kind of feel like villain should have more combos of 68s - K8s in his range than hands which beat us like 58s and 55. I think it is fine on the flop to flat so that we don't turn our hand face up. I think making a small value raise on the turn or river would be appropriate against many villains in this spot. Obv if you were to choose to wait to the river, we would have to see what comes off in making such a decision.

call turn
go all-in on river

Why do we shove the river if we call here? What's the purpose?

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i really hate a potcontrolling line with that hand

Guess this needs some more updating. I appreciate the replies so far.

Turn is the 2, giving hero the back door spade draw. SB checks, villain bets $60, hero raises to $150. SB folds, villain calls.

I specifically wanted to raise here because I am targeting 8x. Frankly, I wasn't sure what I would do if the villain decided to shove once the spade draw came in. Like fitz mentioned, his range was full of 8x hands and he's only got three combos of 55. If villain shoves, he's probably got 5's full and I need to fold. I really don't think he's turning 8x into a bluff - he's not that sophisticated. Plus he's gotta worry about me having 55.

Villain calls $90 more. Heads up to the river.

River ($410) is the Q. We make a flush but I'm not sure it's a good card for us because villain now checks. I think it's pretty clear we have the best hand, so the question is: how much do we bet? Hero has $385 behind.

200

Edit: I kind of want to just shove it in.

I like calling the turn just to see if SB is getting cute with a double C/R with a flopped boat. If she just flats or folds, I would pot most rivers and potentially shove on HJ depending on his river sizing and river card obviously.

I was referring to the fact that a shove on the river is a massive overbet if we call the turn.

Edit: I realize now I wasn't clear about that.

I guess we bet ~$200 or just shove, which might look a little bluffy, but what does V call with that we beat? Another A8 or some random 8?

It might be better to just bet $100 and pray for a crying call with something, but again, we can't fold.

What kind of a range do you put villain on?

Putting villain on an 8. Hopefully it is not Q8

what a crappy river card, hopefully he doesnt have enough of a brain to fear the flushes! .... I would say snap jam but he might even get away from an 8 now so probably just go 150-200 and hope he doesnt have Q8

Im assuming 99 is also still in his range so a 150-200bet targets that too

Zero chance he has 99. He'd 100% open-raise 99+.

Weird hand. Just fold pre. Hahahaha jk. I seriousness the SB makes this weird. I don't mind your turn raise. The SB c/r could've been something like A5 testing the waters and shutting down after two callers. V checking to you on the river is standard since you just raised him ott. Bet size will depend on what you think he calls. Your hand doesn't look like a flush because you had the 8 the whole way too so I doubt he'll believe you hit the flush. Bet what you think he'll call with a mediocre 8. Like T8/J8. $225 is a good size but that may be too rich for him. If you think he's tapped out then make it like $125.

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If you are pretty sure you've got the best hand, I put him on a random 8. If you are lucky, he's got 67ss.

River bet really depends on what you think he will call with. If a shove looks bluffy and he will call, go for it. If a smaller bet works on this guy, that's what you need to do.

This is based on your reads. I'd need to be there for my own, obviously. Heck, I first said I'm not sure what he will call with that you beat. If I had any thought that he's trying to get me to bet, I'd just check.

oh alright i added it in cuz initially you said he only always raises 1010+

I put 99 and TT in the same value range. So let's say he 100% opens TT and 99% he opens 99.

Trips top kicker = trying to get money in. Especially when the turn brings in the draw.

Whoever called you a nit was kinda right :P

Ha! Once the villain checked the turn I knew I was 100% ahead. If he has Q8/85/55, so be it. I wasn't ever considering checking back. So, the question becomes: what is the optimal bet sizing?

If anybody thinks we should check the river, I'm open to considering it. I'd be interested in hearing opposing viewpoints.

I pondered checking this river and I dont like it, whoever mentioned 67ss in his range is spot on and thats key to not checking, its also the only hand that would call a shove and lose I think, and because of that we probably shouldnt shove, 150-200 has got to be ideal, let him be able to call with an 8, i doubt he checks river with Q8

I mentioned checking river, but only because I don't know what we're beating that is calling. I am also the one who mentioned 67 suited because that's the only hand I can think of that will call that we are ahead of.

Also stated that bet size is really read dependant. It sucks a little bit, because we really can't fold. Betting small could induce and obviously betting larger we have to call. I hope OP's read is spot on. In that case, I would bet on the smaller side just praying for a call with a random 8.