Villain is a quiet late 20's Indian guy sitting on around $800. $6 pfr is standard, and he's playing a lot of pots but not showing down much. I've been sitting for around an hour and have no reads beyond that.

I'm sitting at $190 after buying in for $200, card dead and grinding what I can. No showdowns, I 3bet once pre and took it down HU with a cbet and that's basically the only hand I played.

Villain is EP, opens to 6. Three callers, I call with Qc9c on the button. BB calls.

Flop comes Qh Qd 7h
Checks around to me, I bet around $20. BB folds, villain raises to like $55, fold fold fold. I call.

Pot is a little more than $140, I have $130 behind. Turn is a complete blank, like 3s or something. Villain pots it. I am not happy.

Do I call?

yes. you have trips. and he seems aggressive and is probably counting on you not having a Q. not many hands beat you. i'm already putting him a super wide range and giving him credit for being aggressive when he feels the situation is right. you didn't raise the flop and he probably smells a fold. i probably make this call even if you're sitting deeper. with only a pot size stack i'm almost always calling regardless of villain.

With your stack size and this action, you have to call against said villain.

From villain's perspective, the fact that hero bet when checked to on a paired board looks fishy.

It could also just be a cooler.

I prefer a 3-bet or fold preflop.

Is 6 the standard pfr for everyone or just this villain?

Oh yeah... and the fact that we have Qx suggests he probably doesn't have Qx. And 7s full of Qs does not happen very often.

If you're not prepared to stack off in this kind of spot, you probably shouldn't be playing the Q9.

Before making the call otf, you should already know if your willing to get it in ott or river.

V doesn't seem too aggro based in his description. What are we putting him on here? AA or KKs? Sort of a strange line. Wouldn't be surprised if he has AQ or KQ. He never has a weaker Q unless he's opening super light

Agree with this mostly. With such a small open you can add in hands like QJs, QTs, and 77, all of which have us crushed. Even if you throw in some flush draws I think a call is breakeven at best. Your description of the guy doesn't make him seem crazy enough to make a big bluff here.

I have to agree with this

One of the risks when you play non-premium hands is that you are sometimes playing a hand that dominates you. If you hit a strong hand like this and you are not willing to push it, you probably want to fold Pre.

Here's a video with Eastgate and Dwan in a similar situation - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN0I0gvy1vw

Enjoy.

Dwans face!

This is so close.

Very villain dependent. Your not really playing Q9 suited to get in a big pot in this type of situation. Your Q9 might as well be 88 right now because villain never shows up with a worse kicker Q. I think you need to give villain credit in this situation. Villain opened from EP too and since you said 6 dollars is standard, I think so many times here villain has a Q. Not to mention the pot really isnt that big on the flop, 45ish? Is that enough that you really think villain is check/raising here enough of the time without a better hand, that you can warrant stacking off on the turn?

Q9 and 88 aren't even close in this situation. Also, 45 otf with 186 behind and trips? How do you ever fold unless old man coffee open shoves?

Well what do you beat with Q9 that is check/raising here that you dont beat with 88? A weaker Q or 99/1010/JJ is never really check raising here.

The only 2 differences is that you have a few more outs on the river if someones makes a flush on the turn with your Q9/ if they have overs and hit on the turn.

Fist pump first, then call. Your line looks weak and someone playing lots of pots raised when you have more or less a monster.

Hands that can beat ace-high can be check-raising here if villain has tunnel vision and is sure you have a flush draw.

Can you rule out a flush draw here? Some players I know like to check/raise with a flush draw if they raised pre-flop when they feel it is unlikely they will get raised by any one pair hand.

[QUOTE=AsianNit;35946336]Hands that can beat ace-high can be check-raising here if villain has tunnel vision and is sure you have a flush draw.

From what I understand its 5 handed on the flop. Villain is probably 1st or 2nd to act, I find it hard to believe that they would be check raising for value anything worse than trips in a 5 person multi-way paired board. This seems like a value check/raise to me. And I dont think villain can think he is getting any value from anything you have beat (lesser Q or PP) based on him opening preflop in EP. Why would villain bloat the pot OOP against 4 players unless he has a monster. As the villain it would make much more sense to call and take a free card here if he is on a FD. He has only invested 6 dollars into the pot at this point. If it was a 2 or 3 way pot id understand, but given that theres 5 people in on the flop and you get check/raised, I just think in the long term this has -EV.

I think this is a fold because villians line here is very strong and suggests a Q with better kicker in most of his range (AQ or KQ most likely). I rule out a FD after V pots the blank turn.

It's possible that villain is making a -EV move.

There are a lot of different ways that villain can interpret the action. One is that he thinks the other players would bet a queen because OMGFLUSHDRAW, but that a bet from the button is less likely to be a Qx hand, so semibluffing with a flush draw or check-raising for value with hands that beat 7x (or to see where you are at) become viable strategies in the eyes of some villains.

So, they might check-raise with AA or 88 or the nut flush draw against a button bet and check-call or even check-fold against a bet from any other position.

Of course, other players have at worst a hand like QJ when they check-raise the flop here.

fold or raise pre

flop call doesn't make any sense if you even have to think about calling a blank turn.

C/R on flop could be a semi bluff, which justifies call on flop. With blank on the turn and a shove from the V, semi bluff can reasonably be ruled out and so the complete betting line can now be viewed as very strong.

I also call preflop. The price is cheap, we'll be multiway, and in great position. A light 3bet squeeze is also an option.

I also bet the flop with what is likely the best hand.

Getting check/raised here is damn scary, imo. The villain also has 3 others that are still to react behind him who could be slowplaying a Q themselves, and yet he's still willing to put money in the pot. Add to that the turn shove after we call the flop (what's he putting us on?), versus a guy who's playing lottsa pots but rarely showing down (i.e. he's getting in a lotta pots for cheap and ~nuttish peddling, imo), ug... he's protecting a great hand from the draws, imo, and he's not worried about anyone else having a Q cuz he has big one himself.

Honestly, I think I would consider a flop fold unless this guy has shown he can get outta hand here. AA is never checking the flop in a 6way hand only to checkraise a QQx flop. If I made it to the turn, I think I fold there too.

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