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09-29-2017 , 03:05 PM
Playing a lose 1/2 NLHE game at a local Card Club. Average stack around 750. Hero is a LAG Mid 20's white dude. Villain is a Mid 30's Black male, looking slick in an outfit with a sweet Ravens Hat, Hoodie, and kicks that match color wise. (we are in Columbus, OH and earlier I asked him if he was from Baltimore and he said no haha). Villain beat me for about $120 playing heads up while we were waiting for seats at main game after the 2nd table broke.

What I am looking for from you fine 2+2 members is to assess my play throughout each street.

OTTH:
UTG+1 opens to $12
UTG+3 Calls
Villain/Button ($675): Calls $12
SB Folds
Hero/BB ($950): 109


Flop ($50): QJ8

Hero ($940): Checks (while thinking OMGOMG Straight Flush)
Action Checks to Villain
Villain ($660): Bets $30
Hero: Calls $30
All other players fold

Any merits in raising the flop or leading out?

Turn ($110) QJ87
Hero ($910): Check
Villain ($630): Bet's $50
Hero: Thinks for about 20 seconds then raises to $130
Villain: thinks for about 30 seconds then calls

Any merits in leading out turn, how about sizing of check-raise?

River ($370): QJ878
Hero ($780): Thinks silently about how much to bet, Villain asks if I checked. I say no. I then bet $225


Any merits on checking river to set up x/r, should I have bet larger in case he boated up, or is river sizing good?

Last edited by jtm1208; 09-29-2017 at 03:27 PM.
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09-29-2017 , 03:20 PM
Remove results - but generally leading is going to be your highest +EV line. If they have nothing on this flop it's going to be very hard for them to catch up

You really only gain the small % of time a small pocket pair turns a set by checking, but miss out on huge value vs hands like Ahx
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09-29-2017 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Remove results - but generally leading is going to be your highest +EV line. If they have nothing on this flop it's going to be very hard for them to catch up

You really only gain the small % of time a small pocket pair turns a set by checking, but miss out on huge value vs hands like Ahx
Results removed. Thanks for your insight.
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09-29-2017 , 03:29 PM
Pre is fine. Flop is fine. Turn raise a little more. You could make the argument to jam river. You have a LAG image, go with it and get max value when you have the goods. In hindsight, small flushes like 5h3h might fold to a jam, but there are a lot of Ax flushes that are well within villain's range.

I don't think the river bet was bad by any means, just some missed value there.
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09-29-2017 , 04:57 PM
Raise the flop to $80. Lead turn for $80 - $200 depending how fast he calls the flop.

Shove river probably.
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09-29-2017 , 05:10 PM
i would also just lead and bomb away. i would check raise much larger on the turn though. your sizing seems like you were just so scared that someone would fold when you have a straight flush. either they have a hand that they want to continue with on J87 monotone or they dont. not sure there are that many hands that are gonna fold to a 3.5x raise than a 2.5x raise on that board texture
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09-29-2017 , 06:12 PM
I think the best line would be C/R flop, bet turn, check river. That would gain max value from Ah (so they can bluff river), and the 8 means you can prolly check river since QJ and straight and baby flush isnt calling river anymore, and FH is shipping either way. without the 8 im typically shipping river, I may ship here too.
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09-29-2017 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
I think the best line would be C/R flop, bet turn, check river. That would gain max value from Ah (so they can bluff river), and the 8 means you can prolly check river since QJ and straight and baby flush isnt calling river anymore, and FH is shipping either way. without the 8 im typically shipping river, I may ship here too.
If they have a hand worth betting flop - they are going to be calling a lead. C/R just lets 2pair and Kh off the hook. People (well I guess me) will fold a lot to check raises on this kind of board. I would muck a baby flush in a 1/2 game if someone check raises me on this board unless the player is a total lunatic - Just saying.

But I would never ever fold a baby flush if someone just bet / bet /bet - which actually kinda sounds crazy.
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09-29-2017 , 07:45 PM
If there was ever a river to jam, this is it
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09-29-2017 , 09:50 PM
I don't think a jam gets called often enough as played. If the villain has a FH, you want him thinking he can get paid with his jam. I'd bet $300 leaving room for the villain to jam hoping you'll call with a flush because of pot odds. If he had the ace high flush, he would have jammed over the raise on the turn.
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09-30-2017 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
If they have a hand worth betting flop - they are going to be calling a lead. C/R just lets 2pair and Kh off the hook. People (well I guess me) will fold a lot to check raises on this kind of board. I would muck a baby flush in a 1/2 game if someone check raises me on this board unless the player is a total lunatic - Just saying.

But I would never ever fold a baby flush if someone just bet / bet /bet - which actually kinda sounds crazy.

This.
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09-30-2017 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Eholeing
If there was ever a river to jam, this is it
Ya
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09-30-2017 , 08:59 AM
Hand seems wp, turn xr is maybe a little small but that's the only issue

Would often donk the turn for 60%psb
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09-30-2017 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
If they have a hand worth betting flop - they are going to be calling a lead. C/R just lets 2pair and Kh off the hook. People (well I guess me) will fold a lot to check raises on this kind of board. I would muck a baby flush in a 1/2 game if someone check raises me on this board unless the player is a total lunatic - Just saying.

But I would never ever fold a baby flush if someone just bet / bet /bet - which actually kinda sounds crazy.
I mean i might fold a 2 pair to a C/R from a weak fish but not vs a mid 20s LAG... and fish wont fold 2 pair on the flop.

I dont know why it matters what youd do. are you a 1/2 player, mid 30s black male with a ravens hat and a hoodie and kicks that match color wise?
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09-30-2017 , 04:21 PM
My thought process on each street.

Flop: Checking assuming initial preflop raiser would bet. When it checks around to Main Villain/Button who bets, my thought is to Call to invite others into the hand.Dpesn't work when everyone else Folds.

Turn: Check with intention of raising his bet. I was expecting him to bet $65 - $80, with the intention of raising to $185 - $230. His small bet size led me to believe he was kind of weak. Maybe Pair+FD. I sized the raise to 2.5X with the intention of making it hard to fold any decent hand.

River: The board pairing to me is an interesting card, I thought my opponent either had a small flush or a hand like AhQx / KhQx. When my opponent asked if I checked, it seemed like he was also checking as well, which had an influence on my bet sizing. I decided on $225 as it's a decently small bet in relation to size of the pot and he could call/lose and still play on without reloading. He didn't seem like the type of guy who bring 3-4 BI's with him, so I'm not sure if he'd make a call for all of his stack with top pair decent kicker. Also, if he did boat up, he'd shove all in anyways.

Result: He snap called my bet with 5h3h for a losing lesser flush.

Hindsight analysis:
Flop: I think leading 25% - 35% pot, Check/Calling, check raising all have merit on this flop and I am not sure if there is a right/wrong answer (other than folding obvi). I think I'd lead towards betting out as being the slightly better play as any Ah and probably Kh with pair or SD is coming along, and any flush is probably going to raise so a bigger heart doesn't come along. A set and Straight is coming along as well, and might even raise me as to chase out draws.

Turn: I like the check/raise after check calling flop. Sizing not good though. I should have raised to $150 -$180. After seeing him bet flop and turn, he's probably not folding to a bigger raise.

River: Definitely like betting. Not sure what the best sizing is between $225 - Jam. any FH is Getting it in regardless of my bet size and Ace flush is probably raising me on turn, so if he has flush I think it's a smaller variety flush. Top Pair + Good kicker/missed FD and Straight is probably folding to an AI but calling a 50 - 70% pot bet. I think he is probably calling AI with any hand Flush or better. I think I probably should something like $275 - $290 or jam here. Seems like jamming is the best option?

Also, I did win a $500 bonus for having a straight flush. 2nd SF bonus in 1 week haha.
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09-30-2017 , 07:56 PM
i like your bet on the river i think that jamming is too ambitious and gets folds from his Qx hands.
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10-01-2017 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
I mean i might fold a 2 pair to a C/R from a weak fish but not vs a mid 20s LAG... and fish wont fold 2 pair on the flop.

I dont know why it matters what youd do. are you a 1/2 player, mid 30s black male with a ravens hat and a hoodie and kicks that match color wise?
I do the have a hoodie that matches the kicks.

But i'm not black
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