1/2 No Limit. Home Game.

Preflop:

Cutoff(200ish) raises to 15. Button calls (400ish). Small blind (200ish) calls. Big blind (Hero) (400ish) calls with 77.

Flop:

572 two hearts.

SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 15, SB calls 15, Hero raises to 80, CO folds, BTN calls, SB folds.

Turn:

Offsuit 9 falls on the turn. What's our play?

BTN player tends to fall somewhat on the loose aggressive side and is a regular in these home games.

bet for value

235 in the pot. 305 left. i'd bet whatever I think villian would call. honestly, all I think about is value and how big of a mistake I can make villian do calling incorrectly with a draw... don't worry about the rest of the money, it will be in the middle by the river...

I actually checked. Villian bet 150. I moved in for my remaining chips.

Villian showed 68 for the straight. Do we always just lose our chips here?

Yep, cooler. Unlucky.

lol yes.

but I think c/shove vs. b/c are pretty close.

pot is 220 with ~300 remaining. If I think villain will bet most/any over pairs/2pair combos, etc, I like c/shove. vs. slightly passive players, I probably just bet/shove rivers.

It's a standard cooler dude. I would bet/call something like 130. You don't want villain to check back turn with a heart draw.

I think this ^^^. I'd bet because quite a few scare cards can come if checked behind.

Really, nothing you can do here but rebuy

I prefer betting vs. most players on the turn, but would take the line of C/shove vs. the more aggressive players..

obv cooler, but the line discussion itt is pretty good

Mayb u dont have enough reads to determine optimal line but what i turn to is villians tendencies ott in reraised flop pots. you dont reraise pre so villian can exclude majority of over pairs which makes your range looks very drawy with minimal value hands so i think his call lets you kno he has decent equity most time. i dont think villian likely turns his equity into a bluff ott as most villians arent balanced in this spot especially at low stakes so i anticipate a bet from only a very small portion of his range and expect a check from the majority.

given this assumption i would likely lead turn for max value and call a shove if faced i think if we do face a bet ott we have to shove any river however if its checked and a heart hits river a fold could become much easier given runout and btn's range but, as played its a cooler imo

Yeah your shipping regardless, unfortunate turn,

Yep. Cooler. Call for the board to pair on the River. Rebuy.

(Grunch)

Bet/shove ~100, shove river. You have to be willing to go broke with top set on the flop.

Grunch.

First, i think you need to lead out on the flop. Second, I would also have considered 3betting pre.

Third, i don't love the size of your raise as i think it leaves you with an awkward stack size to get it all in. If you reraise to 90-100, which i guess is a bit odd as i seem to recall the flop bet was tiny, you'll basically have a pot size bet on the turn to get it all in. Now, the pot is about $240-250 and you've got $305.

As played, i think i like the overshove better than the bet of $125 or so because i'm not sure you get called on the river in this hand unless you are beat, whereas you could get some calls from overpairs and draws on the turn.

Grunch

you have 305 left with 235 in the pot hes got the same amount. I'd bet half the pot here 100-125. give he the wrong odds to his flush or straight draws. Check scare cards on the river, shove bricks.

Looking back your raising 65 on the flop with 90 in the pot was giving too good odds to flush in straight draws. (ik ik easy to say now after results) you gave btn almost 3:1 on a call and the sb got almost 4:1. The check raise should have been 115 total. 90 on top. The btns gotta call 100 to win 205. Now hes making a mistake. two pair and over pairs may shove on you, as do weaker sets.

This is a really wet board with the straight draws and flush draws. Especially 4 handed.

Say I bet something like 120-150 on the turn and the river falls a scary card such as a heart. I imagine it is still correct to shove because we are never check folding with so much money in the middle and a shove gets us more when we still have the best hand while losing the same when we are beat. I guess this supports a line of raising more on the flop so we can just shove the turn.

Just to get hypothetical, what's our line if say a heart would have fallen on the turn?

@hreaver:

I'm almost never re-raising small pockets preflop in these types of games, esp out of position with a large stack. These are generally bad players who do not like to fold and inflating the pot out of position when I feel I play so much better after the flop than my opponents is pretty much the last thing I would like to do.

The only time I make that play is usually after a raise and a couple callers and I have a stack size I can just shove with.

I do like your rationale for the overshove on the turn as played though.

Grunch

Well the only two hands that are now beatin you are 99(I doubt he has 99 because of a small flop bet) and 68, I mean what can you do here but go all in? The pot is huge already and you might get called by a lot of worse hands, also I feel we have to price the flush draw, why give it a free card?
Actually the way he played the flop is screaming FD, just go all in and hope it was not this exact hand 8h6h

Bet out, about $150, get the money in with all haste. No sense letting hearts check behind you, or having a 4-straight put on board to kill you or your action. If he has 68/99 then either hit one of your outs, or smile, say nice hand, and rebuy.