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04-03-2012 , 03:25 PM
I think I played this pretty bad but I'd like to get your feedback on it.

Live $1/$2 game at The Orleans last night in Vegas.

Villian : MP with about $250
Hero : BB with $300. I have TT.

5 people including villian limp. I raise to $7. Everyone calls.

Flop - TJ7 ($42 in pot). I bet out $35. Main villian calls, everyone else folds.

Turn 8($112 in pot). I check, he checks.

River K ($112 in pot). I check, he bets 50. Hero?

I feel alright about my play preflop and on the flop, but what do you think about the turn, and what do you recommend on the river?

I don't have a very good read on the villian. He's an old guy (50s) but he looks like he's willing to mix it up a little more than your average old guy. No real solid evidence though. First time playing with him.
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04-03-2012 , 03:28 PM
ok b/f 70 ott
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04-03-2012 , 03:37 PM
What was the point of preflop; just to juice it up? I guess with bigger stack sizes I don't mind the juicing play, because of course we realize that this raise is going to create exactly what we got (an eleventeen way pot where we are now setmining). I probably just limp / setmine.

I very rarely check/raise in NL. Would this be an ok place to consider it? This flop looks unlikely to get checked around, perhaps we'd like to see some dead money go in before springing the trap? Otherwise, I'd lead pot; super drawy board with versus lottsa players.

I'm never sure what to do on the turn here. Pair + gutshot coulda came in, but I'm not sure I ever like the idea of bet/folding a set. But I also hate idea of giving free cards with such a big hand. Reads on villain might help. I probably check but that could be wrong.

I check/call the river. We've shown weakness on two straight streets, villain could easily be betting worse, although it sucks that basically every draw got there. We only have to be good not even 25% of the time; sets are never doing worse than this.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-03-2012 , 03:41 PM
On this board, a c/r will only get action from hands that have real equity...instead I would just bet bet bet and get called by worse/draws
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04-03-2012 , 03:44 PM
I would of bet the turn and probably make a crying call for his ship on turn (if he did). Bet 70 on turn and call his ship.

As played, FOLD.

IMO he has AQ.
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04-03-2012 , 03:45 PM
raise to 12 pre

if standard raise is 7 then 10-12 should be good

you have a premium starting hand

40% of flops will be great for you (either no overcards or you will have a set and not care about overcards) and a good portion of the other 60% will only have one overcard which won be so bad if you get it heads up

raise to 12 to isolate pre

i like leading into this board, check raise defines your hand as a set or 2 pr (or a big draw or made straight) but still i like the lead for 35

as someone said bet/fold $75 on the turn

as played check call the river as the guy could be value betting a worse hand

insta call the 50
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04-03-2012 , 03:46 PM
Just checking the turn you lose so much value. Because you will just check the river AGAIN as you did or most river cards. Bet turn and call his jam if he ships. Otherwise he mucks. If he does call. Then check/call river depending on bet.

I mean what were you going to do if you checked the turn and he fires 70? Check/Call then Check/Fold or Check/Call again? Terrible. PLEASE fire turn. SO many weaker hands will just jam the turn or turn draws or other hands into bluffs figuring you raised pre flop and unlikely you have 9 in general.
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04-03-2012 , 03:53 PM
b/f turn and river for value. as played, all you have is a bluff catcher.
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04-03-2012 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
b/f turn and river for value. as played, all you have is a bluff catcher.
B/F turn would be such a leak and -EV it's not even funny. At this point you have basically the second nuts and I'd be more then glad to get it in when it's unlikely villian as us. He could easily be jamming a flush draw or two overs or anything to be truthful.

Gosh I wish people folded sets to me on the turn.
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04-03-2012 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JOsbourne
B/F turn would be such a leak and -EV it's not even funny. At this point you have basically the second nuts and I'd be more then glad to get it in when it's unlikely villian as us. He could easily be jamming a flush draw or two overs or anything to be truthful.

Gosh I wish people folded sets to me on the turn.
What's the typical unknow 1/2 player range if they raise this turn?
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04-03-2012 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JOsbourne
B/F turn would be such a leak and -EV it's not even funny. At this point you have basically the second nuts and I'd be more then glad to get it in when it's unlikely villian as us. He could easily be jamming a flush draw or two overs or anything to be truthful.

Gosh I wish people folded sets to me on the turn.
Is this a level? with a 1 liner to a straight what exactly is in the typical unknown 1/2 villains range that we beat when he raises the turn?
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04-03-2012 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
Is this a level? with a 1 liner to a straight what exactly is in the typical unknown 1/2 villains range that we beat when he raises the turn?

exactly my thoughts, wtf is this guy thinking?
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04-03-2012 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty313
exactly my thoughts, wtf is this guy thinking?
not sure, but i really hope he answers because I am interested to hear his opinion.
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04-03-2012 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I very rarely check/raise in NL. Would this be an ok place to consider it? This flop looks unlikely to get checked around, perhaps we'd like to see some dead money go in before springing the trap? Otherwise, I'd lead pot; super drawy board with versus lottsa players.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Yea, I think c/r is a good play here, considering how many people just limp/called $7 (this has to have someone's range). We want to scare off all the draws, and hopefully get a caller from some Jx or other 'made' hands.
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04-03-2012 , 05:07 PM
7 too small pre. Raise to like 17-20 or just check.

What was the point of the turn check with a set heads up? Bet for value. Fold if shoved into as that's a nine like always.

River I sigh call.
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04-03-2012 , 05:24 PM
I am far from an optimal cash game player; however in this spot I cannot understand why you checked the turn. Your $35 bet on the flop probably chased out any weak 9's, so it is very unlikely that villain called with a gutshot. Jacks in the hole probably would have 3 banged you pre, so your mid set is likely the best hand. I think his most likely holding would be KQ, and you gave him a free card to chase his open ender, which is why he checked behind you. The river gave him top pair, so now he thinks he has the best hand and he is value betting you.

Raise to $125 and get paid for your set...you got the best hand.
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04-03-2012 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
not sure, but i really hope he answers because I am interested to hear his opinion.
he is either the losing sunglasses wearing kid playing $1/$2, or a winning $10/$20 player used to level 2 thinking aggressive villains. if I had to guess I would say the former.
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04-03-2012 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBestEver
I think I played this pretty bad but I'd like to get your feedback on it.

Live $1/$2 game at The Orleans last night in Vegas.

Villian : MP with about $250
Hero : BB with $300. I have TT.

5 people including villian limp. I raise to $7. Everyone calls.

Flop - TJ7 ($42 in pot). I bet out $35. Main villian calls, everyone else folds.

Turn 8($112 in pot). I check, he checks.

River K ($112 in pot). I check, he bets 50. Hero?

I feel alright about my play preflop and on the flop, but what do you think about the turn, and what do you recommend on the river?

I don't have a very good read on the villian. He's an old guy (50s) but he looks like he's willing to mix it up a little more than your average old guy. No real solid evidence though. First time playing with him.
Normally, I'd pass on getting into a thread with this much activity already, but I feel the need to Grunch.

This is the most pointless PF raise I've ever seen. Checking would have been better than this raise. Make it $25 all day and don't stop when you flop this set.

As played, b/f $75 OTT. If he's still around OTR, I'd turn my hand into a bluff and ship it. I don't know that I like that river idea all that much, but it's better than c/f IMO and b/f seems ******ed.
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04-03-2012 , 10:01 PM
Pre: $10-12 shrinks SPR, allowing postflop to play faster.
Flop: fine
Turn: are you check/shoving? If not, check is weak imo, better bet/fold.
River: snapcall, 1.2ish:1, fold too weak given prior streets, expect to see 2pair+.
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04-03-2012 , 11:36 PM
Raise more pre

Flop bet is good.

Barrel turn for 80-90

As played, river is a FOLD.
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04-04-2012 , 11:58 AM
bump to hopefully hear from Josbourne on why b/f on the turn is a major leak and -ev....
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04-04-2012 , 12:29 PM
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Raise more pre

Flop bet is good.

Barrel turn for 80-90

As played, river is a FOLD.

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