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11-14-2023 , 05:20 AM
Live £1/2/5 straddle last hand of the evening.

Me and Villian have been playing 4 handed for the last 2 hours with 2 VIPs. We are playing £1/2 and the 10 straddle has been on every hand until this last hand , as I stacked one of the VIP the hand before. These on average are not your average £1/2 game. They are uncapped buyin and often play more like £2/5 with a mix of live pros and foreign recs.

Hero (£2 BB) - Solid reg , winning 2k in the game and usually plays a TAG play style but in this game has been quite loose trying to play lots of pots with the other 2 players.

Villain (£1 SB) £1000eff - Online/Live Pro - Has been pretty card dead in this game and is breakeven for the session. Villain is ironically Hero best friend. We have not clashed with each other this session and have only played small pots together. There is no major history with each other and we do not “ go to war” with each other.

This is last hand of the night.

V (SB) raises to £15
Hero calls from BB w 66
BTN folds.

Flop (£35) Q 6 4

V bets £15, Hero calls.

Turn K (£65)

V checks , Hero bets £40, V calls.

River J (£145)

V checks, Hero bets £110 , V check raises to £325.

Hero?
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11-14-2023 , 08:56 AM
Very easy call, as you’re beating plenty of value hands, and he should have a ton of bluffs (as the Turn had two flush draws and two Broadway cards on it).

When you’re beating not just eg Ah5h, but also eg KsJs, there’s really not much else to think about. Especially for this price.

(Another way to think of it is: 666 is literally the best hand you can ever have in this spot. When you’re at the absolute top of your range: don’t fold!)
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11-14-2023 , 10:40 AM
I'm snap calling and 3-betting at some frequency depending on how well you know him. He has so much KQ, KJ, QJ, even AK.
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11-14-2023 , 11:33 AM
Preflop/flop are standard. I prefer a slightly larger sizing on turn.

River: I don't think this is an easy call. H makes a pretty polar bet on river and V responds with a value, not a polar/bluff, raise sizing.

V offers ~ H 5-2 to call the xr. V has all the big sets here JJ-KK. We have to call because we are at the top of our range getting 5-2.
But this is hardly a fist-pumping situation and I expect to see set over set quite a bit here.
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11-14-2023 , 05:24 PM
Ok, so I actually went with my gut and after a tank, FOLDEDI do agree though I think I should call here looking back, but I personally don’t think it’s a fist bump. V did not show but as I put my cards over the line to fold he said “ You got 44?” Which I did think was interesting though.
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11-14-2023 , 06:26 PM
Pot odds are about right for it to be neutral EV vs a decent player no matter what you do. Id probably have called but don’t think its a better play than what you did.
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11-15-2023 , 12:34 PM
I'm calling. The flush draws missed. Only straight draw is AT,or maybe T9. What AT/T9 combos does he have that are played this way? Maybe just ATcc/T9cc and AThh/T9hh. V's not checking turn with KK/QQ, and probably not KQ. Maybe he checks turn with JJ.

So, we're losing to 4 combos of ATs/T9s and 3 combos of JJ. V has a ton of KJ/QJ and AQ/AK/AJ that we're beating. He might even turn AA or TT into a bluff.

Because you're friends and it's the end of the night, he probably would have shown you his hand if you made a good fold. Not showing the bluff is a sort of courtesy, to avoid adding insult to injury near the end of the session.

His guess that you had 44 likely means he was confirming for himself that he was indeed behind, and needed to turn his hand into a bluff, 66 and 44 basically being equivalent when he's holding 1P or 2P.
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11-15-2023 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by docvail
I'm calling. The flush draws missed. Only straight draw is AT,or maybe T9. What AT/T9 combos does he have that are played this way? Maybe just ATcc/T9cc and AThh/T9hh. V's not checking turn with KK/QQ, and probably not KQ. Maybe he checks turn with JJ.

So, we're losing to 4 combos of ATs/T9s and 3 combos of JJ. V has a ton of KJ/QJ and AQ/AK/AJ that we're beating. He might even turn AA or TT into a bluff.

Because you're friends and it's the end of the night, he probably would have shown you his hand if you made a good fold. Not showing the bluff is a sort of courtesy, to avoid adding insult to injury near the end of the session.

His guess that you had 44 likely means he was confirming for himself that he was indeed behind, and needed to turn his hand into a bluff, 66 and 44 basically being equivalent when he's holding 1P or 2P.
He has never shown a hand or card in 10 years of playing with him unless he has had to haha. Agree with the rest. I was thinking AA would be a good hand for him to turn in to a bluff or QT.
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11-15-2023 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBritishLion
Live £1/2/5 straddle last hand of the evening.

Me and Villian have been playing 4 handed for the last 2 hours with 2 VIPs. We are playing £1/2 and the 10 straddle has been on every hand until this last hand , as I stacked one of the VIP the hand before. These on average are not your average £1/2 game. They are uncapped buyin and often play more like £2/5 with a mix of live pros and foreign recs.

Hero (£2 BB) - Solid reg , winning 2k in the game and usually plays a TAG play style but in this game has been quite loose trying to play lots of pots with the other 2 players.

Villain (£1 SB) £1000eff - Online/Live Pro - Has been pretty card dead in this game and is breakeven for the session. Villain is ironically Hero best friend. We have not clashed with each other this session and have only played small pots together. There is no major history with each other and we do not “ go to war” with each other.

This is last hand of the night.

V (SB) raises to £15
Hero calls from BB w 66
BTN folds.

Flop (£35) Q 6 4

V bets £15, Hero calls.

Turn K (£65)

V checks , Hero bets £40, V calls.

River J (£145)

V checks, Hero bets £110 , V check raises to £325.

Hero?
What percent of the time do you have to be right in calling to break even? What's his range? What percent of that beats you? What's your read on the situation and him.
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11-15-2023 , 06:02 PM
i mean this is the absolute most snap of snap calls if you choose to play early streets like this. What is he even repping that beats you? JJ exactly? higher sets (qq/kk) are either going to bet or xr the turn given oop and 2 flush draws, and if he somehow has t9 / at he's going to barrel them or xr as opposed to c/c. its probably some weird spew with like QT or TT. he didn't even x jam or anything ridiculously sized.

either raise flop and/or bet bigger ott / otr as well. even by the river you're repping like KJ+ for value when everything bricked (and let's be serious you dont have KJ here nearly as often as you're supposed to based on how you're describing dynamic and what you did with 66), i dont think 2/3 makes sense. solver wants pot ott mostly but if u use ur sizing it wants 150% otr. you're really really undervaluing the stregnth of your hand here. like i think you could jam the river with your hand when he checks to you given how infrequently he ever has a better hand and yes im aware thats nearly 7x pot - i think there's higher ev alternatives but your hand is the nuts here for all intents and purposes.

Last edited by submersible; 11-15-2023 at 06:13 PM.
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11-15-2023 , 10:44 PM
I'd mostly raise flop this deep start building the pot as you can have a lot of semi bluffs and unblock top pairs and all the clubs.

Turn I'd bet bigger. River I'd call after I thought about it for 2 seconds as he could have worse for value since you only called on the flop.

Also once in awhile he can have a bluff and for just that small amount more no way you can fold a set here.
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