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flopped set of 5s in late position with LAG and maniac image flopped set of 5s in late position with LAG and maniac image

05-10-2014 , 08:25 PM
Okay so im playing 1/2 at the casino

Hero(~$1200): has everyone at the table covered by a lot. The second chip leader has about $600. Been running like god this session. To name some examples of hands im getting, flopped a set of aces against AK; a guy limps in with aces hoping i would raise, i didnt raise, i limped with 76o, flop came 589, he check raised all in, i snap call. People keep joking about me having a horseshoe up my ass. Raising a bunch of hands huge like to $15-$25 preflop. Super wide range. I would keep making huge value bets when i had a good hand and people would just keep calling me down.

Villain(~$550): just sat down at the table with $300 a couple rounds ago. Played pretty tag and solid won a good amount of pots without really showing down. Looked like a good player. He started talking about how he use to have a person that stakes him in games and how he won a bunch of tourneys, so im assuming hes a pretty solid player. Havent seem him make any moves so far.

Alright so on to the hand.

Preflop:
There is 1 limper to me and I get 55 in the cutoff and i make a standard raise to $15 (standard for me at the table because im a maniac) and villain is on the button and he calls. The limper also calls.

Flop ($43 because of rake): 58T

Limper checks, i bet $35, villain raises to $115. Limper folds. Hero?
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05-10-2014 , 08:28 PM
I feel like a call works better for your image, but on this flop against a solid player im raising here, too many turns we dont wanna see and this guy can probably put us in some bad spots.

Raising to $275 and v pretty much has to jam or fold.
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05-10-2014 , 08:31 PM
So folding is not a consideration?
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05-10-2014 , 08:33 PM
I mean how often are we gonna be behind here?. There's only 2 hands that have us beat and maybe i'm wrong but it seems pretty bad to fold bottom set here.

I feel that if it's set over set we just have to chalk up to that cooler
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05-10-2014 , 08:34 PM
For his value hands we can probably give him T8s, 88 and TT. Given your description of him, 58 and T5 aren't in his range. His sizing also doesn't seem like JJ+, and he would probably 3B QQ+, maybe JJ pre regardless.

For his 'bluffs', they are more likely semi-bluffs, and there are a lot of them:

67dd, 68dd, 78dd, 89dd, 79dd, j9dd, a8dd, qjdd, maybe q9dd. Possibly AJdd, AQdd as well.

Against his range we have 57.36% equity, which is obviously way more than enough to GII.

He seems like the sort of player who would be more than willing to GII with his entire value+semi-bluff range here, so I'd make it about $300, expect him to quickly shove, and obviously we snap call.

EDIT: We can also somewhat discount TT, since a player of this description could very well 3B TT from BU v CO sometimes (although if he's more of a live player then his 3b range could easily be QQ+)
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05-10-2014 , 08:49 PM
@Powrhau5
I agree with you. We are almost always ahead here and the few cases if it is set over set, i just have to deal with it

@corto
All of the things you mentioned were running through my mind. I just end up flatting the 115 and reevaluate depending on what comes on the turn.

Turn: 7
Hero?
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05-10-2014 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisStunner
So folding is not a consideration?
Uhhhhh only if you don't like money. If you truly have a LAG image and villain is paying attention we should be raising. Board is super wet and we can rep a lôt of semi bluffs
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05-10-2014 , 09:04 PM
Okay well obviously i check this turn and villain also checks. It seems as though he is legitimately afraid of this turn.

River: 8
T8 beats us now
Hero?
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05-10-2014 , 09:07 PM
So you finally achieve a maniac/LAG image by playing hands quickly and now when you have a monster you slow down??

Raise that up and GII against a wide range here! This is the exact thing LAGs profit off of.

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05-10-2014 , 09:11 PM
One other thing that was going through my mind here is im already up 1000 for the day and i am not trying to ship 550 dollars because of a cooler here. I was thinking i would rather play it safe, i know that is -ev thinking, but i was scared
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05-10-2014 , 09:24 PM
As described your best play was to raise the flop because of your image. Villain would put you on a draw a lot, or top pair. That being said I don't hate a turn call. Folding is obv out of the question

As played you'll have to check and see if he bets the 7d. If he bets the turn hard a fold is not out of the question.
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05-10-2014 , 09:25 PM
Well, you potentially have done the wrong thing in this hand on every street.

Fold to a river bet, or check it back, rack up and leave.

Oh sorry, you are first to act, c/f and leave
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05-10-2014 , 09:28 PM
Lol quit poker now if you fold on this river ...
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05-10-2014 , 09:30 PM
Cash out and go home if you are feeling that way.

This is a snap shove to rep a draw IMO. He might even show up with a slowplayed overpair that he wanted to trap the maniac with. He might even call with 77 because he put you on AK/AQ. So many turns suck, whatever you do, don't call.
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05-10-2014 , 09:34 PM
Personally I'd raise about half-pot on the flop (to about 250) and that would leave about a half-pot bet for the turn.

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Originally Posted by ChrisStunner
One other thing that was going through my mind here is im already up 1000 for the day and i am not trying to ship 550 dollars because of a cooler here. I was thinking i would rather play it safe, i know that is -ev thinking, but i was scared
Not everybody can come to an internet group and admit they were scared. Step one you should congratulate yourself for being honest about what happened.

Some people incorrectly get really loose because they're on a "hot streak", and lose their money back.

You now know that you have a tendency where you might get weak tight when you have a huge profit. Nothing wrong with taking advantage of that self-knowledge, getting in your car and heading home with a profit.
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05-10-2014 , 09:40 PM
Not sure if you have that much of an image versus villain since he has only sat a couple of rounds. But, there are too many scare cards that will slow him down. So raise, and get it un in flop. You know that saying pigs get fat hogs get slaughtered. Well, in poker, I'm an f-ing hog, dude
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05-10-2014 , 09:40 PM
+1 ^^.
Admitting this to yourself is the first step. Second step is to get up and walk away the minute you feel this. You will just not play the same once you are starting to feel this and will make more mistakes.

Trust me, in the long run this actual hand is irrelevant...it is working on the feeling you had and knowing how to deal with it is what will help you.
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05-10-2014 , 10:01 PM
Thanks for everyones responses. I really should have just went home after feeling this way. Now i know.

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Originally Posted by Carnivore
Cash out and go home if you are feeling that way.

This is a snap shove to rep a draw IMO. He might even show up with a slowplayed overpair that he wanted to trap the maniac with. He might even call with 77 because he put you on AK/AQ. So many turns suck, whatever you do, don't call.
This! You are Correct. The river went check, check and he showed two red kings. He slow played a big pair on me. I was kicking myself in the ass because i didnt raise the flop.

I guess he was aware of my image that is why he flatted 15 preflop. I just misplayed my hand
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05-10-2014 , 10:41 PM
i would raise the flop to $250, setting up a pot size jam on the turn.. i would expect villain to have a lot of combo draw type hands here , flush draw+overs , ATs as well and i want to get it in here on the flop , no need for deception by flatting when you have a wild image
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05-11-2014 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisStunner
One other thing that was going through my mind here is im already up 1000 for the day and i am not trying to ship 550 dollars because of a cooler here. I was thinking i would rather play it safe, i know that is -ev thinking, but i was scared
Op, this is the crux of your dilemna. Come on, you know how to play here, you know what the move is. What self-respecting LAG EVER folds (or even pot-controls) a flopped set?

The crucial mistake you made was before the river, before the turn, before the flop...before the deal. You should've been off the table long ago. You've run up a sweet score, and now the size of your stack and risk of loss creeps in and clouds your judgement and affects your play.

Get up. Go have a nice dinner. Splash around the Limit 4/8 for awhile. Play a SNG. By all means go by the cage and cash out half to lock up and put it in your pocket and forget about it (or daydream of rubbing on your titties later) then go back and try to do it again.

Popular BRM theory holds you should get up whenever your stack exceeds 10% of your bankroll.
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05-11-2014 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
Op, this is the crux of your dilemna. Come on, you know how to play here, you know what the move is. What self-respecting LAG EVER folds (or even pot-controls) a flopped set?

The crucial mistake you made was before the river, before the turn, before the flop...before the deal. You should've been off the table long ago. You've run up a sweet score, and now the size of your stack and risk of loss creeps in and clouds your judgement and affects your play.

Get up. Go have a nice dinner. Splash around the Limit 4/8 for awhile. Play a SNG. By all means go by the cage and cash out half to lock up and put it in your pocket and forget about it (or daydream of rubbing on your titties later) then go back and try to do it again.

Popular BRM theory holds you should get up whenever your stack exceeds 10% of your bankroll.
Youre right, I do know what the move is here. I just thought too much about it and then it made me worry. I was suppose to just do what ive been told to do time and time again, when you flop a set on a board like that, you have to get it in. Nice post, I liked it. Never heard that BRM theory before.

a12 is right, this hand is irrelevant in the long run. Should've been a standard get it in on the flop, over pair vs set cooler hand. I just thought about it too much for no reason.
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05-11-2014 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisStunner
Never heard that BRM theory before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsEAHpgw6l0
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