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Flopped a royal, now what? Flopped a royal, now what?

05-30-2012 , 08:40 AM
Hero has crazy image and tons of meta with villain. Last 3 sessions hero has played very tag showing monsters in every 3/4 b pot.

Relevant tonight. 1 orbit ago hero limp 4b vs villains straddle and 3 barrelled air. Got called down tentatively by tens for 250 bb.

There is a utg straddle, Hero and villain are both 333 blinds deep for this hand. Villain is bn and raised to 30, Hero is bb with AKcc and raises from 30 to 100 vs villan calls quickly.

Flop is qjt all clubs.

Best line?
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05-30-2012 , 09:13 AM
Bet.

Is this a 2/5 game with a 10 straddle and 333*5=1665 effective?
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05-30-2012 , 09:55 AM
Bet bet bet while trying to hide your boner.
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05-30-2012 , 09:57 AM
hope the board pairs
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05-30-2012 , 10:02 AM
We have 3 streets of value with the absolute nuts why on earth would we bet this flop when we take up 80% of it. Why not check, give the man a chance to catch up.
If he has a hand/improves we can get his stack on the turn or river.

If there is a moment where we should slowplay I think this is the one.
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05-30-2012 , 10:02 AM
lead for 2/3 pot

this flop crushes his range obviously

if he raises I would flat to represent AA or KK

3betting this flop polarizes your range to AK, QQ or Ax flopped flush

lead for 2/3 hoping he has a set, 2 pair or pair+straight draw. if he folds then he probably just had 22-88 or random sc's and there was no way you were getting paid anyway

lead for 2/3 pot and flat a raise. 3betting screams AK or QQ and may slow him down if he has 1010 JJ or a hand like KQ KJ K10 J9s etc
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05-30-2012 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dmkai3
Bet.

Is this a 2/5 game with a 10 straddle and 333*5=1665 effective?
Yes sorry was walking and typing on phone when I made this. Also posted to wrong forum b4
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05-30-2012 , 10:30 AM
Hero checks, villain bets 100.

Hero?
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05-30-2012 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
Hero checks, villain bets 100.

Hero?
Obviously a check raise looks mega strong on this board. I'm flatting. And checkin the turn to give him an other chance to barrel. If he shuts down I'm betting river.
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05-30-2012 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
Hero checks, villain bets 100.

Hero?
Really don't like your check, especially given history provided. 60%-65% flop lead was, I think, the best move.
Now you can only flat unless you have specific history (preferably recent) of check-raising him light on dangerous flops.

The problem is I don't know what the plan for the rest of the hand is- what ards fall on the turn that help him that we can bet into (and pray for a raise...)? Are we really going to hope he does all our dirty work for us from here on in?
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05-30-2012 , 11:11 AM
The bottom of my pereived raising range is likely Kk or AA with the club. The more I think about it I guess leading is best. I had a plan to Cbet most boards but I flopped the pure nuts and didn't want to risk folding him out.
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05-30-2012 , 11:17 AM
go to your car, get a shovel from your trunk, bring it back in and scoop all your chips into the middle as fast as possible.
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05-30-2012 , 11:35 AM
Is there a BBJ? If so, I think we have to check made BBJ hands on the flop. Even though mathematically this might be a slight -EV play, it's not something we'll have to be concerned about because (a) we flop so few made BBJ hands and (b) we could easily go on life tilt getting 88 to fold here that could have went runner runner (seriously, is it worth the risk?).

Otherwise, bet/bet/bet.

GcheckingmadeBBJhandsontheflopalwaysforsimplepeace ofmindG
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05-30-2012 , 11:37 AM
Yeah, I don't like the check either. I think b/b/b is the line here. 150/400/AI. To get it all in here you're going to have to make a couple big bets and relying on villain to do that is a mistake IMO.

I hope villain hit his set and you got it in anyway.
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05-30-2012 , 11:39 AM
^ omg, if you're gonna not play optimally b/c of "OMG JACKPOT" then just play slots..

the line is bet/bet/bet obv...
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05-30-2012 , 11:40 AM
what ****ing BBJ hand is folding the flop?!?!?!?!

Any set or made straight flush isn't folding. Jesus christ.
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05-30-2012 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
what ****ing BBJ hand is folding the flop?!?!?!?!

Any set or made straight flush isn't folding. Jesus christ.
99- is instafolding this flop.
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05-30-2012 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Hicham009
Wgive the man a chance to catch up.
how on earth is he going to catch up? we block everything!
Bet and hope he has a set or 2 pair...no value in checking, he's not stabbing because this board smashes ur 3bet range
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05-30-2012 , 11:55 AM
GG -- nice level

Given your previous history, bet it like your 3-barrel (what was the board texture on that HH?) from earlier. At 300+BB you need to inflate the pot early to make a river shove callable.
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05-30-2012 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
^ omg, if you're gonna not play optimally b/c of "OMG JACKPOT" then just play slots..
How many times a year do we flop a made BBJ hand? A half dozen times? So what, we lose a couple of cheeseburgers a year because we don't play them optimally by betting the flop. And even when we check the flop, there's still a chance Villain bets for us, plus there's still a chance he's flopped a monster and the money all goes in anyways. So all this is risking folding out 88 here?

Sickest feeling I've ever had at the poker, ever, in my life: BBJ is huge, I raise preflop and get some callers with my AT, flop is AAT, and I unwittingly bet out (it's limit, so I need to make immediate value on every street). One guy folds, other guy calls. 4 on the turn. I bet, last guy folds. Other guy says, "Nice flop bet. I woulda turned a set of 4's". Hurray. My flop bet (for $4), prevented me from having a 1/44 chance at winning like 40K (or whatever it was, I can't remember).

Risking a couple of cheeseburgers a year is well worth the piece of mind, IMO.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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05-30-2012 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
GG -- nice level
Not levelling.
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05-30-2012 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Is there a BBJ? If so, I think we have to check made BBJ hands on the flop. Even though mathematically this might be a slight -EV play, it's not something we'll have to be concerned about because (a) we flop so few made BBJ hands and (b) we could easily go on life tilt getting 88 to fold here that could have went runner runner (seriously, is it worth the risk?).

Otherwise, bet/bet/bet.

GcheckingmadeBBJhandsontheflopalwaysforsimplepeace ofmindG
Yes there is a small bbj and high hand bonus. The high hand doesn't need to reach showdown. The bbj was 5-6k
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05-30-2012 , 12:04 PM
Ah ok well after check flop things become harder. I prefer bet/bet/bet and call/donk leading any raise.

If we assume a queen and we believe our opponent is a calling station I would Check raise or Call/Donk bet. I dont wanna check raise too much. Hes bet 100 into 200, id raise it to 280. 3.5:1 on a call. Pot 760 and assuming blank turn we can bet again. I think we are more likely to get the big turn call than the big river call. So with 1200 behind id bet 480 - giving 2.5:1 on a call. Leave 720 for the river (pot 1720) and give 2.5:1 on a call.

We can't expect our opponent to bet our hand for us as we're just gunna blow them off the hand on the river.

Another line is check/call check/call bet. and rep missed flush draw. Problem is the pot will be smaller than wed like then. We want to bloat this pot.
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05-30-2012 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
how on earth is he going to catch up? we block everything!
Bet and hope he has a set or 2 pair...no value in checking, he's not stabbing because this board smashes ur 3bet range
We still have 2 streets of value to come if he checks it back, if he completely missed we're getting **** all value anyways, but he can ''catch up'' with his pocket pairs he called with since he's deep enough to setmine.

And if he did flop a monster, we're getting the money in anyways on the turn and or river.
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05-30-2012 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
GG -- nice level

Given your previous history, bet it like your 3-barrel (what was the board texture on that HH?) from earlier. At 300+BB you need to inflate the pot early to make a river shove callable.
Low cards 44624. I put him on a pp between 55-1010 which I thought I could move him off. There was no fd and was repping fairly thin but basically qq+ and aks

Edit-I didn't have to show my hand as he rolled his hand over first
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