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Flopped the nuts, played too weak? Flopped the nuts, played too weak?

03-21-2013 , 08:05 PM
$1-$2 No Limit
Hero ($500) 60 white male, been playing tight, raising more from late position, couple of times I've raised from late position with med connectors all folded. I've been at the table about 3 or 4 hours.

Villain ($500) white male about 35 I've seen him call pre-flop raises several times from EP and fold to a bet on the flop. When he calls he does have something (so far anyway) . Villain was here when I started, left for an hour or so and came back, he is 3 to my right.

Immediate hand proceeding UTG raised to $15 Villain called and I 3 bet to $45 (pocket Tens). All folded.

Onto the hand.

UTG limps
Villain UTG +1 limps
folds to Hero in Hijack and I raise to $15 with AQ
It folds around to Villain, who says "Again?" and calls.

Pot ($31 aprox)

Flop K74 = Bingo!

Villain checks

Hero?
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03-21-2013 , 08:11 PM
bet duh? not sure why we're stopping here. I highly doubt this hand will get very complicated.
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03-21-2013 , 08:21 PM
25, 75, 180. hope you cooler him.
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03-21-2013 , 08:21 PM
He's not likely to put any money in unless he's got 2p, set, or heart, so you might as well bet like he has one of those things. If he folds, it wouldn't have mattered.
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03-21-2013 , 08:21 PM
if you start to suspect he has a flush too, 25, 100, allin.
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03-21-2013 , 08:22 PM
Pot it.
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03-21-2013 , 08:27 PM
Hero bet $30
Villain called

Pot $90

Turn 8

Villain bets $50.00

Here I felt I should raise but not some much to scare him away. What do you think?
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03-21-2013 , 08:28 PM
maybe if you weren't 225bb deep. Raise. 160.

Sets up an easy river shove
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03-21-2013 , 08:30 PM
yup. once he shows interest and even donks into you it's tie to set things up for a river shove.
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03-21-2013 , 08:36 PM
I'm starting to see a trend here...

Hero raised to $100 (total)
Villain called

River 3d

Villain checked

I'm guessing now that the advice is to shove?

Last edited by Bgdav298; 03-21-2013 at 08:37 PM. Reason: river card missing
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03-21-2013 , 08:41 PM
He's a fit or fold player who called a pot size flop bet and took the lead on the turn. You're deep and have the nuts. It's about as good a raise spot as you'll find.
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03-21-2013 , 08:44 PM
Not sure if you can shove now. Pot is only 290, does villain have any idea?

I'm betting at least 175. Shoving if I think villain is dumb
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03-21-2013 , 08:44 PM
he calls your silly raise. yes. all in.
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03-21-2013 , 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bgdav298
I'm starting to see a trend here...

Hero raised to $100 (total)
Villain called

River 3d

Villain checked

I'm guessing now that the advice is to shove?
i´m starting to see a trend too in all those hands of livepoker: minraise turn = nuts. raise a little more, otherwise well played.
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03-21-2013 , 08:55 PM
Yes. That's the answer to the question, if you're asking, you must not have gotten it all in.

The question here should be how to get all in otr. Play against his big hands, like a K, or trips. That is where you make the most money. If he has crap, you make nothing whether you bet aggressively or not. The other hand to play against is lower made flushes. JhX where X is not a h, will probably not pay you off even if the 4th h hits.

Does he usually check to the pfr, even with a hand? Assuming yes, you should bet about the pot. Bet 30. If he raises, reraise.

Assuming he calls flop, bet pot on the turn (90).

Shove river (370 into 270). I would usually do this even if the r pairs up. Of course, you can slow down if you get a read, but absent a read, you have to stack off.

Another line I like is 45 otf. Overbets otf are called a lot. Then it goes pot (120) ott and river is 325 into 360.

If this was a totally aggro V you could go for a check raise otf or ott, but otherwise, pot, pot, overbet or overbet, pot, pot.
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03-21-2013 , 08:57 PM
Grunched above, forgot to say that.
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03-21-2013 , 08:58 PM
All in. He thinks he has the nuts when he calls your turn raise.
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03-21-2013 , 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bgdav298

Here I felt I should raise but not some much to scare him away. What do you think?
Never, ever, think this again. I'm not trying to come off aggressive, I'm being stern, as this is one of the biggest leaks in poker.

Read spike's first post. We get far more value from the hands that ARE going to pay us off, then we are ever going to get from weak hands that we try to keep in. Using this logic, bet big with your big hands. If they fold, they were probably folding anyway. Even if they would have called a small bet, its not worth the value lost when they would have called a bigger bet.

Raise turn to $150 total, and jam river. As played, jam river.
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03-21-2013 , 09:10 PM
Thanks for the advice. Yes I can see that raising more with the goal of getting it all in is the correct line to take. I'll try and do that in the future... wonder when I'll flop the nuts again, and if it'll still be the nuts on the river, sigh!
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03-22-2013 , 02:56 AM
As above posters have said, just take a bet/bet/bet line in these spots. I've been amazed how many times I've been paid off with this line flopped the nuts or near nuts and getting paid off because most live fish think if you really flopped a big hand, you would have slow played it. So just make the bets you need to make to be able to get all the money in at the end.
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03-22-2013 , 01:53 PM
pot/pot/shove.

We have an aggro FOS image and no one is looking us up. Someone will play police officer soon enough. We also want to make sure we get in some big bets as soon as possible before a scare card comes to kill the action, plus want to build the pot as big as possible as quickly as possible so that our river shove isn't a huge overbet.

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