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08-20-2019 , 02:56 AM
This is from a wild $2/5 game. My image is loose but extremely lucky (I've been getting hit with the deck) and multiple people have said I "can't lose." I cover everyone.

V1 is very tight (basically only raises overpairs), stack of $450.

V2 is a solid reg who I have history with and knows me as a maniac bluffer ($900).

V1 opens UTG to $15. This is almost always a big pair.

1 caller, I call with T9ss, 1 call behind and V2 calls from SB.

Flop ($75): QsJs8h

So I flopped the nuts and the straight flush draw.

V1 checks, V2 bets $60 (JJ+). Hero? I'm not very afraid here since anyone with 2-pair or a set will raise behind me and I block flush draws. I decide to call.

Fold to V1 who raises to $200. V1 flat calls. Hero?
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08-20-2019 , 03:53 AM
Why flat when you hold the nuts on a dripping wet flop like this, even though you block flushdraws? You wanna start getting paid right away, before any scarecards either prevent that or give you only two outs. There are a bunch of those.

And why would V2 automatically hold "JJ+" when he bets? Because he's 100% sure V1 literally only has AA/KK/QQ and never AK/TT/99? Even then there are still some other nutted hands in his range, I'd think.

Now I would just shove. Ideally (and not even that unlikely, if your reads are worth anything) they both have a set and hold each others outs.
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08-20-2019 , 05:02 AM
Shove. Your hand is more vulnerable than you think and given V1's remaining stack and the hands they are representing they will likely call anyway. One caveat, if there is a high hand that K-high Str-flush is vey likely to win and it's worth than say $20k, they by all means call. Otherwise this may be the easiest shove in poker.
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08-20-2019 , 09:22 AM
Just shove now. Same as other hand -- with your image, they should never fold, except that you are getting hit with the deck, so maybe they are gun-shy. Again, no need to give them a "free" card.
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08-20-2019 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Why flat when you hold the nuts on a dripping wet flop like this, even though you block flushdraws? You wanna start getting paid right away, before any scarecards either prevent that or give you only two outs. There are a bunch of those.

And why would V2 automatically hold "JJ+" when he bets? Because he's 100% sure V1 literally only has AA/KK/QQ and never AK/TT/99? Even then there are still some other nutted hands in his range, I'd think.

Now I would just shove. Ideally (and not even that unlikely, if your reads are worth anything) they both have a set and hold each others outs.
Sorry, I messed up the action. It's V1 who bet flop and V2 who raised.

Honestly, I was concerned about blowing V1 off an overpair (he might fold one) and figured most of the hands I'm afraid of (primarily 2-pair/sets) would raise behind).
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08-20-2019 , 02:26 PM
So a bet and a raise in front and the raiser is the maniac who is deeper? Easiest call in the world.
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08-20-2019 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
So a bet and a raise in front and the raiser is the maniac who is deeper? Easiest call in the world.
Not quite a maniac, but definitely more aggressive than other players. I'm the one everyone thinks is a maniac.

If the board pairs on the turn, what do you do?
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08-20-2019 , 08:48 PM
I really misread all the action and stacks. Oh for sure just rip it now. Absolutely call the first time though.
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08-21-2019 , 09:54 AM
Not sure I've been to a wild 2/5 with a $15 open meaning "big pair". Anyway, as others said, rip it now, ainec.
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08-22-2019 , 03:23 AM
Ok, in retrospect I definitely should have shoved. I ended up flat calling.

Turn was Qd and went x/x/x.

River brick 2h. V2 bets $200.

Hero?
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08-22-2019 , 10:08 AM
Gross ($675 in the pot, correct -- helps if you put it on each street). V1 is still to act, which is a tiny concern. I guess just flat or fold. In game I know I flat, but I'm not sure it's correct vs. a solid reg and someone you put on JJ+. I don't think raising is wise.
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08-22-2019 , 12:40 PM
V1 folded on the river. Claimed he folded KK.
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08-22-2019 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
V1 folded on the river. Claimed he folded KK.
OK, so V1 folded to the $200 on the river before you acted, so just make a non-dry-eyed call.
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