The game is a 1/2/5 club game with the 5 being mandatory. The game is playing pretty passively because most of the players are used to playing 1/2 with an occasional utg/btn straddle so lots of limp/calling. It wasn’t uncommon to see a $20 open get called in 6 spots

V in this hand is a mid 20s Mexican guy who I’ve logged a decent amount of hours with. He’s capable of mixing it up with light 3bets but today he hasn’t been 3betting much at all. I don’t think he pays much attention to player dynamics much because I saw him pay off 2 streets with TPGK to what was obviously an overpair, after he was 3bet by one of the tighter players at the table. He called flop and turn bets, both $105, on a 5 5 Q x x board. River goes check check he turns over KQs, other player shows aces

V is sitting on $550 and I cover

Hero is UTG+2 and opens J J to $20
V directly on my left 3bets to $65
Folds back to me and I make the call

Flop (~$130) K J 6
Hero checks
V bets $80
Hero calls

Turn (~$290) A

Hero?
Check or lead?

Stack sizes?

Turn seems ideal for a C/R

Just came back to edit

Yeah, x/r. If it checks through, overbet the pot on river.

Given Villain's description, I like leading the turn to set up for a river shove.

I see no reason to lead here. The turn ace is the perfect card for his represented range. He'll barrel many light 3bets as bluff. I like x/r.

Agreed. When flopping a set OOP I've started using the c/c flop, lead turn, lead river line a lot more , as not to allow the turn to check through. In this situation though, I think the A should hit the 3-bettor's range pretty hard and he'll likely continue betting. I'd go for the turn c/r. If you got over-setted, oh well, it happens sometimes.

Does villain ever 3bet a hand preflop that's not in the range of {JJ+, AK}? I'm not convinced that he does.

You claim that he's capable of mixing it up with some light 3bets, but what is the context of that, how light are we talking, what positions?

Given that you opened UTG+2 and villain 3bet then Cbet 60% pot on a KJx flop, I'm putting him on the following hands:
- 3 combos of AA
- 3 combos of KK
- 0 combos of QQ (doesn't cbet flop)
- 0 combos of JJ (blocked)
- 9 combos of AK

So we're good here 60% of the time and behind 40% of the time, which makes it marginally better to build the pot up than go into showdown value mode.

Having said that, I'm not ever worried about the turn or river getting checked back when the bottom of villain's range is top 2pr, so I actually think that x/calling turn has a lot of merit: this allows us to get away from our hand if an Ace or King hits the river. Of course, we're never worried about a Queen or Ten on the river, so we can safely jam for value if either of those cards hit, which has the added benefit of sometimes getting a better set to fold, too.

So I actually prefer to x/c turn with the intention of leading Q/J/T rivers, x/f on A/K rivers, and x/r on 2-9 rivers.

I would lead the turn. Assuming he has an actual 3 betting hand, the money is going all in vs AA/KK/AK no matter what you do. If he has QQ, youre probably not getting any more money no matter what. If you check turn and he checks back, youre going to hate yourself if the river is a Q or T.....especially if he really has hands like KTs / QJs.

Dont mess around when there are 3 broadway cards on the board.

Would nobody check/raise the flop? We know this guy calls down light, so he’s calling with AK and AA. But there are scare cards on the turn that could slow him down (a Q or especially a T). Plus, on this board he’s not likely bluffing two barrels or calling a turn lead light. So why not build the pot early with a huge hand?


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I prefer a flop c/r

As far as my thought process goes on the flop, I definitely debated on x/r the flop but it was pretty dry and I wanted to keep his cbet bluffs in since this is a good board for his perceived range. As far as his light 3bets, I’ve seen him turn up with all kind of things. Suited connectors like 78s, suited aces and broadways. I have never seen him show up with offsuit broadways though so I definitely think he goes for what has more playability.

The turn is where I got a little lost. I originally planned on leading turn on any non broadway card but then the ace hit and I thought it would be a perfect spot for a x/r since the ace hit him more often than not.

So I decided to check and v checks back

River is the 10h and I throw up in my mouth
I check
V shoves all in
Hero?

Bet 200. Let him call or raise with his AK. A check gives him a cheap look at the river.

(heh - posted this before I read 11:51)

Not sure its all that polite to quote yourself...but...

x/r flop
ap until turn- lead turn big
ap until river- fold river

I'm definitely bet/folding river as I explained earlier.

Bad luck on the runout. A flop x/r would've most likely won this hand for you, but that doesn't mean it was the correct play. I mean, what are the chances we're going to get a runout this bad everytime we choose to slowplay?

Quote away. I will definitely start throwing some turn leads into spots like these from now on.

Anyways results are I decided to throw on the hero cape because his sizing didn’t make sense unless he thinks I have a Q too and he’s pushing me off a chop. So I end up making the call and v says nice call and mucks