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07-22-2011 , 02:49 AM

StandardDeviate

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Foxwoods 5/10, half of the table is straddling. I'm in the SB with 22. Random MP raises to 80, CO calls, I call, and the straddle calls. I'm sitting on 4k, and cover all who have about 3k ea.

Flop (340)
2h 4s 4h

I bet out 180. Straddle makes it 600. MP makes it 1250. CO folds, and I over call the 1250. The straddle ships for a total of 3k, and MP folds. I call.

Comments, and then I'll give results.

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07-22-2011 , 03:19 AM

TimeBomb

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Other than folding pre, how else could you play it?

Straddle has 1-3 outs, or he flopped quads and you have to hit the reload button. I think I may need to make a trip to FW at some point

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07-22-2011 , 03:25 AM

hurt

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reads are nice, prob fine though

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07-22-2011 , 03:56 AM

LOLlivepoker

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Obviously you snap call and lose if he has quads, what advice do you really expect to get by posting this? NH reload

and folding preflop is beyond ridiculous so much value in flopping a set in a deep spazzy game like this

Last edited by jlocdog; 07-22-2011 at 09:57 AM. Reason: no need to be rude

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07-22-2011 , 10:15 AM

StandardDeviate

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My question wasn't specific on purpose. Now I'll narrow it down. Is the over call correct or should it be a ship?

I have the vulnerable under full. I dont play that way usually, and I'm way ahead or way behind so I figured I want all comers.

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07-22-2011 , 07:50 PM

catch thirtythree

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Jamming flop >>>>> cold calling

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07-22-2011 , 09:47 PM

TimeBomb

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Honestly the cold call looks stronger than a raise, but really in this spot it shouldn't matter, just get it in.

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07-22-2011 , 10:58 PM

SkinnyStax

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This thread would have sucked had you not gotten it in on the flop.

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07-23-2011 , 03:45 AM

LOLlivepoker

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i probably just cold call to keep bluffs/flush draws/******edly played overpairs in their range because its really hard for them to both have a 4.

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07-23-2011 , 02:48 PM

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The Muffin Man

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I probably just ship it in.

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07-23-2011 , 03:04 PM

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AAismyfriend

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Played fine, I think you're beat here pretty rarely.

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07-23-2011 , 04:25 PM

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DGAF

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Why would you play it any differently?

Also, wtf was mp doing lol?

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07-23-2011 , 05:47 PM

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IWearSportsJerseys

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Although shipping over the 1250 is fine, the overcall got one of the players in the hand to spazzzzzz, which makes it a very nice change-up from the standard.

Well-played, assuming that your overcall was not out of fear of being beaten but instead meant to induce someone else to overplay his hand.

Last edited by IWearSportsJerseys; 07-23-2011 at 05:56 PM.

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07-25-2011 , 01:46 PM

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StandardDeviate

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Results:

I overcalled, and the SB ships. MP mucks, turn is a 4, and SB flips over 4,5 off.

MP said he had aces.

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07-25-2011 , 05:32 PM

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Steamfish

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Well I am assuming by posting that this hand was a cooler or a suckout. 22 on a 442 board is pretty vulnerable. I would say that Straddle has A4, 54 or 3n5h. MP probably has an overpair or a flush draw. VS MP you are golden. VS Straddle he has 4 outs on the turn and 7 on the river. Pokerstove says Straddle has a decent 28% against your under boat. So you are good but still vulnerable a third of the time. Ship and pray.

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07-25-2011 , 07:12 PM

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DGAF

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Originally Posted by Steamfish

Pokerstove isn't factoring in that MP should also have 4x and he appears committed (even though it turns out he just had an amazing blow-up with an alleged AA) and so the running pair the board equity should be pretty much thrown out--> you were already going to lose to MP.

It's a pretty big mistake imo to protect your hand/shut someone out who might put a bunch of money in with what should be 3 outs (that you are worried about) twice.

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07-25-2011 , 08:42 PM

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legalize it

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What is the point of this post? If i posted all of my hands where i got sucked out, i'd have no time to go to the casino and get sucked out. That would suck. Out.

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07-26-2011 , 05:33 AM

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mikednyc

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Hand played perfectly. Annoying run out. Re-load and outplay the guy again.

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07-26-2011 , 04:59 PM

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jimmyvjv13

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Why are you posting this? There is almost nothing worth discussing. You flopped a full house and got max value. Take it to BBV.

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07-26-2011 , 07:08 PM

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Steamfish

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"MP should also have 4x"... both Villains on flopped trips? Flopped trips is 70:1. Two Villains flopped trips is 4900:1. But regardless, I believe all arguments lead to the same conclusion. Gotta play to show down and hope to hold up.

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07-26-2011 , 07:50 PM

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DGAF

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Originally Posted by Steamfish

What is your range for someone who just cold 3-bet the 442 flop 150 bbs deep in a 4-way single raised pre pot when you hold 22??? Please be specific.

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07-26-2011 , 09:19 PM

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Steamfish

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DGAF, I know what you mean however because MP is PFR I don't put him on the 4. The way the hand played it makes most sense that Straddle has the 4 and MP on QQ+. I believe his flop play was to shut down draws until he realized he was beat then folded.

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07-26-2011 , 09:49 PM

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Haplo

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Originally Posted by StandardDeviate

I like the overcall. Keeps in the straddle who could be drawing dead or very slim. If you just ship it, the straddle might just fold (obviously he didn´t)

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