1/2 NL - 300 Max

Hero (BB) ($425) I've been sitting at the table for a bit more than an hour at this point and have been running well and have shown down AA twice. Table is loose passive, and a good run of cards and some selective aggression in position have allowed me to chip up to about $425.

V1 (UTG) ($250) - MAWG who is playing tight passive pre flop and fit or fold post flop. I've only seen him raise twice in the hour i've been sitting, one went to showdown and he showed AQo which he opened from mid position.

V2 (Hijack) ($700) - 30 year old white guy. Wearing mirrored shades, a hockey jersey and an Aria windbreaker (we're in an east coast room). Just came back from a 2 hour dinner break and stopped the floor who was in the middle of bagging his chips. He immediately posted 2 off the big blind and has limped 4 of the 7 hands leading up to this one. I haven't seen him get too aggressive post flop.

on to the hand:

V1 limps, folds to V2 who limps, CO limps, BU folds, SB folds, Hero checks in BB with J3

Pot: ($9) Flop: 789
Hero checks, V1 bets $15, V2 raises to $50, Hero calls $50, V1 calls $50

Pot: ($159) Turn: K
Hero Checks, V1 bets $50, V2 raises to $100, Hero ?

Yuck. V1 worries me more than V2, but not sure what that $50 on the turn meant -- or V2's min-raise for that matter.

It's the fifth nuts, but I fold it against these opponents (fit or fold and passive post flop betting and raising) on this board, especially in a limped pot. If I had 100bb, I might just gii on the flop.

Notes: Good V descriptions. Thanks!

PF: Yep

F: 4 handed. Pot is $9. SPR ranges from 27 to 77. I would of just led pot here. Against four villains, I'm sure I'll get a caller on this wet board. When V1 leads almost 2P here, I'm a little scared. V1 plays fit or fold, so this flop fits his hand. Then V2 raises...UH OH! Yeah, he may be doing this with the Ac, but we are in a bad position here. I may be OK getting in 125bb against V1, but I'm not losing my whole stack with a J-high flush against V2.

So what do we do? As bad as it sounds, I would just fold. Hey, is it nitty? I don't know, some may think so, but playing this hand OOP against two villains who seem to want to shovel a lot of money into the pot is bad for us. I hate losing a ton of money in hands like this that I am "forced" to play.

As played, we call.

T: Pot is $159. V1 has $198 left. V1 doesn't care that V2 raised on the flop, and fires 1/3P. V2 min raises. Now it's to us. It's very likely that V1 is going to shove here; he only has $148 left. Again, I just fold.

I'm not sure if I would have folded on the flop because I can see V2 doing this with a smaller flush or maybe the Ah. Some people would raise with a set. However, once V1 calls and with the action on the turn, I'm gone.

I think leading flop is better given villain's descriptions.

As played, hero can fold turn now. With this action, i think its a safe bet that hero is behind and drawing dead.

Gross spot. Smaller flushes are definitely in their ranges. So are J10 and sets.

I think I find a fold here because, between the two of them, Ax, Kx, and Qx are just too likely. Both believe that they've got the best hand right now. They'd think that with any flush, and they might think that with the straight or a set. But the likelihood of neither one having an Axhh, Kxhh, or Qxhh combo (or 56hh, for that matter) is dangerously low. You may not be third-best, but you probably are second-best.

I'm not folding this at 1/2 NL. I call down prepared to see 2 pairs, sets and straights and, occasionally, a better flush. It's just too common to see people go nuts with hands we beat.

I see your point, but we are playing 212bb. I may be fine calling if I was playing 100bb but not 212bb. What would be the maximum bb you would call off here? Would you call it off if you were playing 300bb? 350bb? 450bb?

I think we're approaching the level where I would be forced to reevaluate.

Yeah I think it's a trivial fold, at least one of them has a higher flush than you unless they are total aggro donks. I think this hand is one reason why the COTM on blockers was so important 9 8 7 are already on the board so they can't be used to make a flush which means we only beat something like 54h 64h 4h3h. And even if one of them has that, what does the other one have? Probably Ahxh Khxh Qhxh. I think the flop might even be a fold.

When someone raises a flush board in a limped pot, they have a flush. You can't beat any likely flushes. Fold

Just out of curiousity, how do things change if V1 folds after I call the flop raise from V2?

You don't beat flushes. Ax, Kx, Qx, T6, 65 all beat you. So it's pretty much just 45hh that you beat unless V is playing every suited hand. He could be overplaying straights, have sets, or even be overvaluing 2pair though. I'm not folding, it's just good to realize you have almost the worst flush possible because of the dead cards. If you were deeper I'd call and b/f blank river. There's no way he's raising worse hands or even Qx flushes.

This shallow I'm just shoving ott.

I don't like V2 making callable flop raise into 2 players, then again a callable Turn raise into 2 players.

Villains 2's min raise on the turn means he isn't scared of an A of hearts drawing on him, because he knows he is laying a nice price to an Ah. I put him on the nut flush, because even a K high flush probably shoves the turn, afraid of another heart or the board pairing.

I fold turn, don't show anyone, and be happy if I see V2 turn over 9Ah, because I am in a great game

I'd have to see what he bets on the turn and try to get some sort of read from him. If he keeps turn and river (blank) small, I might call him down. I really don't like this spot in a limped pot without knowing more about V2, though.