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07-06-2019 , 09:32 AM
V1- Been caught bluffing on occasion. Can make somewhat loose calls.
V2- Very solid player.
V3&V4- No reads yet.
Hero- Slightly aggressive image and got caught bluffing once.

1-3NL
$400 Effective

Hero 55
Preflop:
V2 raises from EP to $10
Hero calls from Mp
V3 & V4 call from LP
V1 calls from BB

Flop: 589 pot $50
V1 donks for $30
V2 calls
Hero calls.
V4 folds
V5 calls

I had thought about raising the flop and perhaps i should have. It's a pretty draw heavy flop. I figured that a lot of scare cards could come on the turn, so i would wait for a nonscare card on the turn to make a move.

Turn: 5893 Pot: $170
V1 checks
V2 bets $100
Hero: This is what i was looking for. V2 made a bigger bet than i was expecting. I figure that if V2 nailed that flop, he'd probably raise since it's so draw heavy and 3 more people are left to act.Folding seems insane here. Calling doesn't seem quite right either since i am sandwhiched here with 1 player left to act.

What's your move bere?

Last edited by Oregon Rick; 07-06-2019 at 09:47 AM.
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07-06-2019 , 09:53 AM
Ugly spot. You can’t lay down a set here so definitely call, but you’re not happy doing so.

What range do you put both villains on? 67s, or a 2 pair is a strong possibility.
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07-06-2019 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Oregon Rick
V1- Been caught bluffing on occasion. Can make somewhat loose calls.
V2- Very solid player.
V3&V4- No reads yet.
Hero- Slightly aggressive image and got caught bluffing once.

1-3NL
$400 Effective

Hero 5Flopped bottom set:5Flopped bottom set
Preflop:
V2 raises from EP to $10
Hero calls from Mp
V3 & V4 call from LP
V1 calls from BB

Flop: 5Flopped bottom set:8Flopped bottom set:9Flopped bottom set: pot $50
V1 donks for $30
V2 calls
Hero calls.
V4 folds
V5 calls

I had thought about raising the flop and perhaps i should have. It's a pretty draw heavy flop. I figured that a lot of scare cards could come on the turn, so i would wait for a nonscare card on the turn to make a move.

Turn: 5Flopped bottom set:8Flopped bottom set:9Flopped bottom set:3Flopped bottom set: Pot: $170
V1 checks
V2 bets $100
Hero: This is what i was looking for. V2 made a bigger bet than i was expecting. I figure that if V2 nailed that flop, he'd probably raise since it's so draw heavy and 3 more people are left to act.Folding seems insane here. Calling doesn't seem quite right either since i am sandwhiched here with 1 player left to act.

What's your move bere?
I'm not sure what the predicament is...you said it...this is exactly the card you wanted...we jam...if we got outflopped so be it.
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07-06-2019 , 11:16 AM
As played, jam turn for sure - Of course you could be behind (if one of V's has 67, oh well) but you need to charge draws, and there still are a lot of draws out there. And except for being over-setted, even if you are behind, the board may pair on the river, so you're rarely drawing completely dead.

As you alluded to, I'd raise flop in this spot for sure. Need to deny equity/get value from your hand.
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07-06-2019 , 12:21 PM
Raise flop wtf
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07-06-2019 , 12:44 PM
Yeah.
I should have raised flop and jammed turn.
I did end up jamming the turn. I wondered afterwards though how many worse hands would call me here which led me to posting the hand.
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07-06-2019 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DillardPoker
Ugly spot. You can’t lay down a set here so definitely call, but you’re not happy doing so.

What range do you put both villains on? 67s, or a 2 pair is a strong possibility.


How is this an ugly spot? We have the nuts vs 2 fish and they’re betting into us...

Ya I would raise flop tho and set up a turn shove, there’s a ton of worse hands that will give us action.

AP easy shove it in
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07-06-2019 , 03:48 PM
Ship it
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07-06-2019 , 06:58 PM
Yep, I'm not slow playing bottom set here multi-way.

Raise flop, gii turn.
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07-06-2019 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Yep, I'm not slow playing bottom set here multi-way.

Raise flop, gii turn.
+1
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07-08-2019 , 11:29 AM
I just fold preflop. Only dude in the pot so far is a very good player; we're not making any money off of him. If anyone else comes along, they'll likely have position. We don't know for sure if anyone else is going to come along, or get 3bet. Small pairs also have some pretty meh RIO if any non-moron wants to get in big stacks postflop (which a bloated preflop pot will lead to).

SPR is 8 on the flop we means stacks will go in with 3 postflop bets. We can definitely be beat on this flop. But we can also be ahead on a very drawy board and people will pay to see turns (especially loose donker). Are we really going to be able to get away from our hand here if it's no good? I probably raise large and live with results if anyone wants to get it in. I probably go $150+ to setup a turn shove.

I would feel sick to my stomach if a very solid player donked large on this turn in a 4way bloated pot. His range here should likely only be 99/88/98s and maybe sometimes a small overpair (really?). It's a pretty meh spot, but I just don't see how we're getting away so I just jam.

Gpreflopislikelytheonlystreetthatmattershere,imoG
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07-08-2019 , 11:39 AM
Raise flop -- it's so draw heavy. As played, jam turn. V2 raised pre, so we are very unlikely behind him -- if he has a set, he should have raised the flop. If someone else has a straight or bigger set, so be it.
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07-08-2019 , 12:16 PM
fold pre, raise flop, jam turn AP.
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07-08-2019 , 12:29 PM
Like the others said raise flop. Gii on turn.

And pre is fine imo.
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