1/3 NLHE, 8 handed. Table is loose passive with one tightish reg.

V - Looks like the main musketeer complete with floopy hat. Never seen him before. Mid twenties. Bought in for 350 or so (100-500 BI range) and sat on H's immediate left with two seats open. Told him our side of the table was card dead so he'd go to the other seat because I wanted the leg room. He seems annoyed and not in a good mood.

HH - V's first or second hand at the table, Loose passive white guy (LPWG) opens 12 UTG (V is eff with 350, LPWG covers), bad losing 100% vpiping indian calls BTN when folded to (has like 70$), Hero sees A J in SB and wants to pop for indian's 70 but gets a live vibe that V and LPWG are nutted and so folds, V 3-bets to 40ish from BB, LPWG calls, indian folds. HU. Flop: 9-6-3r V leads about half pot, LPWG calls, turn 9-6-3-J hh, V bets about half again, has like 120 behind, pot is now over 200, LPWG jams, V calls, river is A , hh miss, V shows QQ, LPWG shows AKo no FD just two naked overs. V is seriously angry and switches seats to other open seat and rebuys for 500 max.

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A few hands after HH, V is in CO and Hero is in SB, V has 465 after call/folding pre a couple times, Hero covers and is in SB.

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UTG1 opens 10, 4 callers including V in CO and bad indian in BTN (from HH), Hero sees K K and pops to 65 over 5 people in and BB still to act, only V calls in CO. HU OOP.

Flop 160ish (400 back) - Q J 3

Hero cbets 50, V raises to 180 leaving 220 back, Hero?

given your 3.5 SPR id bet bigger on the flop and as played id just GII and live with the result.

With 5 people already in the pot, I'm making it 80-100 pre at a loose passive table. If we take it down with that, it's hardly horrible.

As played I'm just GII here. It doesn't take too many draws, things like AQ, and random 1/3 spaz **** to add to the hands crushing us, i.e. QQ, JJ, QJ, to make it profitable.

totally misread this the first time. im pretty excited to jam over the flop raise but i guess u could call with the Kh. folding is out of the question vs anyone but i find it near impossible for him to have QQ and JJ should be discounted when he just flats pre too. at some point, if hes got it hes got it and you need to get stacked and having an overpair vs potentially tilted rec on qj3tt with an spr of 2.5 is one of those spots.

Cardinal Richelieu would put in a gentlemen's raise preflop instead of the 65 H put in. I prefer to pop it to maybe 100-120 and get HU OOP here. I don't want to play multi-way oop. But we got HU cheaply and that's nice.

Given the preflop action, what does V have that crushes us? He would have 3b his QQ/JJ preflop from the CO.

So he's drawing in all probability. If we call, pot is 760 to the turn with 220 back. If we jam, we offer 9/2 to call, which is more or less the right price for his NFDs.

So I think the correct play is to call his raise and jam brick turns.

Misread

Ok good I'm glad. Pot commitment is something I think I need to work on more, as in what SPRs qualify as pot committed and not. I used to think an SPR of 1 or less is committed but I keep getting advice on here that I need to just go with it instead of using these small cbet sizes and trying to pull the parachute if things heat up.

Anyway results:

I like offering 8:1 IO preflop here since a 3bet will setup a postflop commitment spot on most flops, so if we're $465 effective against the world I'd go about $75ish (so a tad more than what we did but whatever).

SPR is 2.5 and we've got an overpair, so we're comfortably committed, imo. Board is fairly drawy, lots of big Qx to get value from, etc. So I'd make a large bet on the flop (even PSB) to get the rest in on the turn. Not a fan of our very small sizing since it offers great IO (due to us being committed); leave the small sizing to large SPR pots where we are not committed, imo. Unless of course the sizing was to induce spazz, in which case it may have worked.

Happyily shoving over the raise. SPR / offering terrible IO preflop alone is reason enough. But otherwise our small bet could have induced spazz, he's mad, 2 of the sets are somewhat unlikely due to no preflop 3bet over a small open and callers, only 1 reasonable 2 pair, AQ/KQ could easily think they're good, and there's a crapload of draws he could be pushing. Don't think we should just be calling to slowplay OOP on this drawy a board when committed. This is pretty fistpumpy for me.

ETA: Regarding SPRs and commitment, I think HU we should probably be aiming to commit against most opponents with SPRs <= 4 (although <= 3 is obviously more comfortable), so 2.5 on a drawy board HU with an overpair is a trivial stack off for me. Very multiway at ~4 becomes extremely uncomfortable due to likely offering a lot of opponents too good of IO preflop (which is why I do my best to avoid this situation preflop).

GmadeanicebedandnowhappilylyinginitG

I need to work more on this. What is the maximum SPR you would say commits us in these spots HU OOP where we flop an overpair?
I know its a strange question but I find myself pulling parachute a lot more than you recommend.

edit: oh didn't read your whole post. thanks

i highly doubt he had QJ.

I really think we should turn off our brain at SPR <= 4 and simply work to stack off with an overpair / TPTK HU in most situations. I mean, maybe deviate on some extremely horrendous boards (and can always perhaps change our mind on nut low turn cards). But I just find the more I get my brain involved in these spots the more I end up being MUBSy and make mistakes.

Soon as the SPR becomes 5+ and/or we start going very multiway, the more we can switch our brain back on, imo.

GcluelessbrainlessnoobG

Ok thanks, I'll keep this in mind at the tables!

in these reraised pots you need overwhelming evidence to be folding value hands as opposed to the other way around. playing like 2 hours with a guy isn't going to provide you with that for the most part

these are the types of spots it can help to look at the solver for. to get an idea of what your entire range looks like. like you might tell urself omg he KNOWS i have an overpair and hes still raising, but youre supposed to be squeezing like JJ+, AQo+, some suited broadways, and some axss / suited connectors for board coverage. i guess trace amounts of smaller pairs but i think those are going to play better as calls here (potentially the wheel axss as well).

but this is going to be a flop thats good for your range (2 broadways he is going to be great bc u just wont ever really miss) and you're going to range bet as a result. so when he raises you're going to have some gutter type hands from AT / AK, some Jx, maybe your weaker Qx if you want (i would not fold these to this player given he just got stacked and hes like the 4th caller pre), and these random board coverage hands that you're going to fold.

something i think gobbly does well is not over think what the other person is doing and just base things off of commitment / spr and hand stregnth. live, and moreso at low stakes, a bunch of people are coming and going and dont really have great idea of strategy so they're probably leaking / misapplying in different spots. trying to assume you know what they're going to do in every spot with their ranges, when they themselves probably have no idea in alot of these once off spots, i think is a mistake.

theres going to be spots to deviate but like this is a pretty obvious hand we're thrilled to stack off from like any standpoint. it can help to look at some of these models to get a feel for that. but like this is going to be your base case and you need very very strong evidence either in population tendencies (data) or exploitative reads based on many hands and hours played together to get to that point. the more something is winning in solver the more evidence you'd want to deviate. here (and its not the worlds most directly applicate sim because stacks are different although the spr is the same), folding is a 14bb error compared to calling / raising small / jamming so you probably dont want to do that. again its not perfect but its enough to see that folding would be a catastrophe if you're wrong. whereas you can see like KQ with a BDFD is a 1.5 bb error to fold compared to continuing with, so you could make an argument based on less to fold that sort of hand if you think V is weighted towards value.

some day i will figure out how to post screenshots on here