Sigh...this is a donk situation betting around $30-35. Top pair, overpair a all stay in 6 possible (JJ-aa, at, Kt, 88 and 99 might stay for one round)...TT will usually raise our bet and maybe a stronger 6 although there really isn't a 6 that is possible and is stronger. So basically two hands that beat us vs 6 we are ahead of.

As played you need to raise somewhere in the realm of $50 to go. Depending on the action we are gonna try to get it in. So if not raised and a low card in between the 6 and 10 comes or under 6, we are betting about $100 and shove on a river card.

After reading results:
You should have slowed down on the K. A bet or check/call then a lead on the turn is super strong. He would check aces most likely for pot control but continues betting with anything stronger than what you hold. The fold on the river is easy but maybe he bets less on the turn or you get away by checking.

I think a flop donk gives you the best chance at getting 3 streets. There's a decent chance you'll get called in more than one spot as well. Your only behind A6, TT. We want to build a pot as quickly as possible. I'd lead for close to pot on the flop.

Very unlikely villain raises a flopped full house but may very well raise his over pairs. If he would raise, I'd flat with the plan to c/r basically all turns. If he just calls, I'd plan to lead most turns for 3/4+ pot.

C/R the flop isn't terrible, but not best imo. I'd like it better if we were the pre flop raiser and had a known agro behind. A situation where he can have all the 6x's and we look like we have a big flush draw or possibly an over pair. C/C is by far the worst option.

As far as the rest of the hand goes, I'm not so sure. By the time we get to the river we're beat by exactly 2 combos AcKc, KcKh (discounting TT completely do to villain not raising the turn) I think normally it would be a mistake to not stack off here.

If your basing your fold on overwhelming live reads that you got in the moment then nice hand I guess, but I'm never giving anyone credit for quads, and putting an opponent on the one combo that beats you seems bad.

I think barring an insane live tell this should be a call on the river. Again, if this is what happened, great, but the vast majority of the time I think folding the river in a spot like this would be a huge mistake.

Put another way, are we really saying that we put villain on running quads and folded our FH??

Patchohare, yes, that's what I did. I based my decision on his range, but mostly with my live read. I see that basing my decisions on live reads is a less than common trend on most of these hand history threads. It makes sense that my own poker logic is different than most members, being that I've never read a poker book, rarely watch poker, have mostly live experience, don't have any serious winning poker friends to discuss poker with, and up until I recently joined this site, I never studied any poker concepts other than my own.

I joined this site to improve my knowledge, and I definitely have, now I want to make sure I apply the concepts correctly without going away from my strengths (which is my live read, knowing where I'm at more times than not). I've been successful to this point by playing this way, but I want to advance my game and move up to bigger games.

Maybe I should start a new thread with this topic.

good stuff. I myself give more credence to live reads than most posters in this forum. Being able to "read" people and understand game flow, betting patterns, mannerisms etc, is absolutely a skill to have. I don't think it's one that easy developed either, you either understand people or you don't.

If this is a natural strength of yours, I in no way would try to discourage you from using or applying it.

The point of my post was to shed light on the fact that based on the range you gave, you were behind only 2 combos, one of which would make the rare quad Kings(running no less). Other posts seemed to say this was a trivial/easy/no brainer fold otr. I would take strong exception to that line of thinking w/o being at the table and actually seeing villain oozing herculean strength or something of the sorts. I wasn't knocking your action (making the correct fold) as much as I was questioning the rational that led to the decision.

We have to at least mention the fact that putting villains on the only combo that beats us and folding as opposed to playing against their entire range would often be a mistake. Anyway, nice read and good luck.

One other point on this. I would never get away from what makes you a winning player. What works for you may not work for me and my style of play may not be best for the next guy and so on.

It's of paramount importance to be playing a style and in a way that your completely comfortable and at ease at the table. It's a delicate mix to add new concepts we may not be completely comfortable with into our existing, winning, game.

In the words of Robert Hunter and Jerry Garcia, "settle down easy"

Fold pre

AP Lead $30 OTF. Anytime it's 4way or more to the flop, I like to donk when I hit the flop pretty well and draws are on board