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Hero has been catching cards and quickly ran a stack from $300 to $800 in about 45 minutes. Game is playing extremely multiway and closer to a loose $2/5 table half full of terrible players

V1 utg $150- asian 50 years old. Fish. Plays a2c, hates to fold. Aggressive with third pair. Buys in for minimum multiple times a session.
V2 utg+1 $400- african american -75 years old. Mostly plays the nuts but better than an omc. Winning player most of the time. Tight.
H HJ $800- As stated earlier, quick sun run. Seen as aggressive and lucky.
V3 CO $250 - 50 year old latin - fish. Plays a2c. Passive until he hits. Will pay off any amount with top pair
V4 Bu $350 - 30 yeats old latin - fish. Plays a2c. Passive until he hits. Will fold TPGK to large bets
V5 BB - $400 -30 years old asian. Aggressive. 3 bets frequently. Winning player most nights.

OTTH:

V1 straddles $4. v2 calls. Folds to H who raise to $15 with KhJh. V3 calls, v4 calls, v5 calls. V1 calls. V2 calls

Flop $90
KsJs10s

V1 donks for $25. V2 calls. H?

Your preflop raise size is way too small unless you wanted to have the entire table in there. Even if there are plenty of bad players in the hand here all you can do is call.

Preflop wasn't enough in a straddled hand at a table full of people who play ATC. Either limp behind or go something starting at $20.
On the flop just call. $25 isn't much but your top two isn't a big hand here. It is possible somebody has AQ/Q9 or flopped a flush or has a set. More likely there are spade draws and QX hands that wont fold for any reasonable bet. Flat now and if the turn is a brick and action dies down you can look to charge people. If the turn is ugly you can make the tight fold and get out cheaply.
This is very not-GTO play that works well at exploiting loose passive low stakes games. At an action table or one with better players the risk of somebody in late position raising big with a draw would be too high. You would have to raise yourself.

1- preflop raise is waaaaay too small.
2- post-flop, we always want to keep pots small on monotone boards, since ranges are so inelastic. You’re probably just going to have to call this down to the River. If they check to you on either the Turn or the River you can bet, but this isn’t a spot where you can ever raise two-pair for value.

Some further insight on V1 and V2 as it relates specifically to this hand:

V1 could be donking here with a hand as bad as K2 offsuit or Qj offsuit no spades and likely no hand better than KQoffsuit or AsXx. And if he had a flush , set or even two pair his bet would be larger. V2 is a good enough player to know this and can be calling with sets, a flush or hands we currently beat like AsXx, QsXx, K10, or AK. KQoff is likely the very bottom of his calling range.

The table dynamics were such that I felt my postflop edge was large. Maybe as large as any table I had sat at in a long time.

And also raises from $15 to $25 were not changing the number of callers postflop and actually may have induced a squeeze the higher the pot went. The UTG player loved to jam his short stack in similar sessions I played with him prior when his stack was roughly equal to the pot. Specifically I felt the worst thing to happen was to go to $25 preflop get a bunch of callers and have BB or UTG pop it to $150 while I was monkey in the middle. I would have snap folded to that bet even from the straddler.

It was a hand I wanted to play and I was fine with playing it 6 or 7 ways. I looked at it as a speculative hand to keep my image hoping to flop a straight or two pair and got it with a twist. This game was playing huge for 1/2. So much that the BB began open raising 15-20%of hands to $25 to $35 shortly after this hand for over an hour. When I say three of these guys wanted to play handsÂ…Â…they really wanted to play hands.

Typically donk outs are weak but this is into 5 people on a super wet board. I'd range the donk more towards 2p or straights that don't want this checked through but regardless of what you or I think V1 and V2 can have the amount of players in the hand change this into something that you can't accurately define. Even if you know what these players have there are 2 more behind you who haven't acted yet. KJ is not that strong of a hand in this spot and you have to air on the side of caution.

You have the 13th nuts in a multi-way pot, I’d just call the flop lead.

After BB checked and V1 donked and I had fish behind me likely without a flush I was considering a raise to $125 to hopefully win a decent pot without a turn. Then V2 calling changed that. I put in a green $25 chip after 10 seconds considering all three options. V3 calls. Now v4 raises to $150. V5 the BB jams. V1 calls. V2 folds.

H?
1. Snap folds
2. Tank folds after contemplation. Too many players. What is going on
3. Tries to make the Hero call of a lifetime and does, was ahead the whole time and drags a huge pot
4. Tries to make the hero call of a lifetime, is correct and the river brings a 4th spade and devastation
5. Doesnt realize what is going on calls way behind and wins a massive pot when a J hits
6. Doesnt realize how badly he is behind calls and yes obviously loses $400 in the hand
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It is highly unlikely you are ahead of all 3. Occasionally it will happen but it requires all of them be on unlikely hands. The question I see is should hero fold or is hero getting such ridiculous odds that call is still best? With 2 pair fold is the correct answer. Even if you are ahead as long as any of the villains has a random spade you are in trouble. More likely you are drawing to 4 outs and villains block some of those.

If you are going to play the game of fishing for good flops, which I encourage at 1/2 games full of bad loose/passive/sticky fish, then just limp preflop. You can hit them for pot sized bets when you do hit and get out cheaply when you don't. Small raises that go multiway just hamper your play be making SPR small.

OTTH:

Hero snap folds and would not have improved. H wonders before calling and also after seeing the first raise if should have folded flop instead of donating $25

V3 folds. V4 calls for his remaining stack. They all flip their hands early. V4 is drawing dead with AQoffsuit. V1 shows As6h and does not improve. V5 the BB wins pot with 5s4s

I would have folded too, Obv V4 and V5 action is super strong. But I don’t understand why you would consider folding to the $25. Even after seeing results, you were ahead of V1 and V2 who were the only players who had acted before you.

It was one of those hands where 6 ways with one player already in with a range where the hand I was holding fell around the middle of it, the odds were getting long. Even when I called I felt I needed to boat up or get extremely lucky on the rest of the flop or turn to continue. Because I knew V3 and V4 likly were also continuing. Im all about high variance when Im the aggressor and have FE, but I need to win $125 more every time I hit if Im calling $25 there. And Im not a fan of variance where EV is 0. After 10 seconds I was sure I could get $125 more from V1 and thought occassionally I would stack one of the other players as well if another spade also hit so That was why I called in the moment thinking if this miraculously is not raised I have a great price. I was boat mining. But if I dont catch a K or J on the turn, then what? Completely lost and have to fold if it went six ways and someone bet turn for much over 1/4 pot. Rough math in the flow is never exact when there are so many unknowns.

But IÂ’m curious about what others would have done if it went six ways to the turn with $240 in the pot and the 3 of clubs rolls off. And V1 jams.