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10-28-2009 , 12:23 AM

sharkshavik

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Poker Stars $3/$6 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP1: $866.95
MP2: $630.00
CO: $615.30
BTN: $639.00
SB: $837.00
BB: $102.00
UTG: $120.00
Hero (UTG+1): $533.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is UTG+1 with 9

UTG raises to $12, Hero calls $12, MP1 calls $12, 5 folds

Flop: ($45.00) 3

(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $36, MP1 raises to $132, UTG folds, Hero ?

I put him on a J. If it's not AJ, I think he might fold to a raise or shove. If I call, the pot will have $306, and my stack will have $389 left. I think I could bet $180 on the turn, and get the rest on the river. There aren't too many cards I'm afraid will slow the action on the turn.

Overthinking it? Shove?

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10-28-2009 , 12:54 AM

Penguinz21

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,887

Click it back imo.

I do not like the idea of calling and leading the turn.

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10-28-2009 , 02:05 AM

w00t77

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He might very well fold AJ here if we shove. Call and put out a tilting ghey bet of $112.40 on the turn to induce a shove.

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10-28-2009 , 03:45 AM

Gumpas

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Originally Posted by w00t77

He might very well fold AJ here if we shove. Call and put out a tilting ghey bet of $112.40 on the turn to induce a shove.

I was going to say c/r turn but this sounds very good. Stops them checking back a weak top pair or Q10.

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10-28-2009 , 09:26 AM

Renton

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meh i'd just get it in he seems to really like his hand

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10-28-2009 , 10:41 AM

Yugless

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check call then pop 'em on the river

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10-28-2009 , 10:50 AM

mce86

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Shove it. Lets get it in! (and then grunt when he mucks)

I wouldnt have a problem with calling and leading out on the turn as well. Im certainly not checking the turn though...

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10-28-2009 , 01:15 PM

LAGBOMB

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easy hand to play multiple ways vary your play and mix up the betting patterns

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10-28-2009 , 01:22 PM

sharkshavik

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Originally Posted by LAGBOMB

easy hand to play multiple ways vary your play and mix up the betting patterns

I (hopefully respectfully) disagree. This is a 64/11 fish, who will not play very many hands at 600NL in his lifetime. I want to play this one way consistently against 64/11 fish. Mixing up your play is only important against thinking players with a memory. Against fish, one should most likely play in a way that exploits the fish's predictable and exploitable play, even if that makes one's one play predictable and exploitable. When the action got back around to me, it was just me and the fish. No need to mix up my play in future spots that are similar, I just want the best way to stack him.

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10-28-2009 , 05:52 PM

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randomplaya

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call & bet an amount on the turn that he can't fold to, that will leave him committed to a river shove if he doesnt raise turn.

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10-28-2009 , 05:57 PM

#11

Rampage_Jackson

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I like a tiny flop 3-bet, slightly more than a minraise.

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10-28-2009 , 05:58 PM

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Rampage_Jackson

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Anyone like a small flop 3-bet here? Just slightly more than a minraise.

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10-28-2009 , 11:19 PM

#13

ypk

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Originally Posted by w00t77

He might very well fold AJ here if we shove. Call and put out a tilting ghey bet of $112.40 on the turn to induce a shove.

I like this, because I think it's the most range balancing. I'd do that with QT or AJ+

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10-29-2009 , 12:21 AM

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lucknotskill

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Originally Posted by ypk

I like this, because I think it's the most range balancing. I'd do that with QT or AJ+

world needs more of you.

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10-29-2009 , 01:31 AM

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Rampage_Jackson

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Originally Posted by ypk

I like this, because I think it's the most range balancing. I'd do that with QT or AJ+

Range balancing against an unknown?

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10-29-2009 , 04:57 AM

#16

sparky999

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lol at range balancing

flat flop, chk/shove turn

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10-29-2009 , 06:00 AM

#17

Renton

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shove or call donk seem to both be superior to call and check

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10-29-2009 , 06:05 AM

#18

AllTheCheese

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When he raises this big, I just assume he has some draw that he's never folding or KJ+ that he's never folding. If he raises to $90, you can consider some other lines like calling and donking, but imo, this raise sizing makes shove the best option.

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10-29-2009 , 11:05 AM

#19

ranka

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super standard call and super standard crai on the turn

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10-29-2009 , 04:38 PM

#20

Penguinz21

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I really really really think that the best way to play this hand against a fish is to click it back and shove the turn. It induces more and bigger bluffs and you don't let them see 2 streets for free in a spot where your hand looks strong if you call. Also, I don't want to let something scary peel off if they have an overpair or Jx.

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10-30-2009 , 04:28 AM

#21

ale1teixeira

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funny spot
I call/donk or shove here depending on how much I`m down for the day

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10-30-2009 , 11:40 AM

#22

jimmyvjv13

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Lol @ range balancing.

I like click it back OOP, then bet 1/2 pot turn and shove riv. He's like never folding.

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10-30-2009 , 02:08 PM

#23

Deanglow

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put me in the call and lead turn camp

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10-30-2009 , 05:05 PM

#24

GoMukYaSelf

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CIB

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11-02-2009 , 09:11 AM

#25

BlackLotus69

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Boils down to how he perceives you (what are the stats man??). There's not much there as far as drawing goes so most often i call and play like i got a weak jack. True there's not so many cards that slow the action so he's going to continue with almost every hand that he thinks has you beat. Raising back looks to strong and wont get value from any worse hand. You practically don't lose anything by calling exept 1 free card if he's got TQ.

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