1/2 NL ($350 stack)

Hero opens for 8 UTG +1 with 7s7c
4 callers
Flop: 7d 9c Jd

SB checks
Hero bets 31
Villain calls
Folds around
Turn: 5h

Hero bets 65
Villain snap calls
River: 8d

Hero.....


at this point the villain is left with about 140 in his stack and there is ~225 in the pot. The Villain is a very bad player (Taiwanese male in his 30's). I dont have very much history with him at all so i'm not sure of any real tendencies about his game, but i do know he is one of the weaker players every time he sits down.

I would have bet a little more on the turn or considered CRAI if you had a good sense the villain would bet the turn after you slowed down following your "cbet".

As played, I am not sure there is value to shoving the river. Could he call you with 2-pair or top pair? I doubt it. Despite the gross odds, I think this is a c/(puke)fold. Most players would check behind hands with some showdown value that you still beat (ie would not turn inferior made hands into bluffs) and only bet flushes/straights for value.

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If villain has a habit of betting turns vs checks I would go for the c/r as suggested by fatmanonguitar. This board will only get worse and put you in ****y spots like this oop on the river.

With 100 in the pot after the flop, I think I would have bet more on the turn. I'm not sure 65 is enough. I would probably check the river and hope for a check back. If V bets, I probably lay down the hand and mutter for a while.

Honestly i am probably shoving for value with these remaining stack sizes looking to get hero called by top pair or 2pair against a player as weak as described. if stacks were deeper this is the easiest b/f for value. I dont have any problem with c/f in this spot though as well if you have live reads on the guy that tell you thats best.

whatever you do DO NOT c/c.

Whats the least amount we can b/f otr? Is it possible to b/f ~120? I'm probably always pukeshoving this river fwiw.

I think you should be folding pre here a lot of the time.

R U srs? villain has 140 behind.

Bet/fold 120 sounds amazing.

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Any info on the SB, passive, agg, stack size etc.?

Don't think you can bet unless prepared to call. If the SB is passive, C/F, agg may warrant a call. If SB is short-stacked, C/C.

Why fold a pair?

What was the point of the preflop raise? If all the stacks are deepish, then I can understand a pot juicer. Otherwise, I would have just open limped.

This flop probably smashes a lot of people, and I'm guessing it's unlikely to get checked around. I might go for a big check/raise if there's a good chance someone stabs at this. Otherwise, on this super drawy board vs 4 opponents, I'm betting pot.

The weaker and more payoff monkeyier the player, the bigger I bet the turn (to get paid off now if he is on a draw). Sounds like villain is super bad, so I probably bet more, probably between 3/4 to full PSB to get more value now.

Gross river. With these stacks / pot, we can't bet/fold. How's villain on his bet sizing? Could he possibly make a mistake with his flush/straight and bet a lol $25 or something stupid (i.e. as opposed to shoving)? Does he ever bluff (ETA: although, there really is nothing to bluff here, unless he's "bluffing" with TP or something stupid like that)? Will he pay off a bet (which in our case, the only bet would be to shove) on this scary board? Would he ever think two pair is good here and bet it when checked to him? I probably check/fold.

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UTG+1, rarely will you get around without a raise and you can't be calling raises with PP's too often OOP with the hopes of setmining as you will most likely never get the odds, especially at LLSNL with the stack sizes not being deep enough

I don't agree w/ folding preflop. either open limp or raise depending on player's tendencies and table dynamics.

"Rarely will you get around without a raise" doesn't sound like the typical small stakes table to me. Also, if a raise does happen, there's a decent chance it gets called in 3 places before it gets to us again, so we'll have enough immediate odds and implied odds to make the call (even though being OOP will probably make it harder to get paid off). Sure, once and a while a LP ok player without a great stack might manage to fold everyone else out with a raise so we'll have to dump it in this situation, but I doubt this happens enough not to try to see a flop in most other cases.

If table conditions are such that we can't open limp a small pair UTG, we're probably at a bad table, IMO.

I like your line the whole way through. C/R on turn isnt bad, but board is so wet that you prob need info that he'll bet here to take risk. C/F river because his insta call on turn is usually draw, and the only draw i can imagine missing is some silly KQ.

what about J8, 78, 89??

Don't be afraid to take a second and count your opponent down before betting the turn. With implied odds you've given him proper odds (~4.5) to call his flush draw with a gutshot. Probably should bet more on the turn for 2 reasons. One, he doesn't get proper odds to call even though he will, and two, it makes it easier for you to call on the river if a scare card hits. Given your read on the player it's a tough lay down on the river cuz this guy could easily bet some donkey 2 pair here. Unlucky hand here.

Oh yeah, I just limp with 77 in EP hoping to see a cheap flop or hoping to trap a raiser when I flop a set. We're gonna lose way too many pots postflop if we have to keep continuation betting with this when we miss.

thought villain had him covered, my mistake

i think id make a small blocker bet, something along the line of your turn bet, ~$75. if he comes over the top, i still think we have to call bc of the terribleness of this player.

You're just smoked here. I would likely c/f. Such a nightmare board. I think a lot of times he would check back 2p here because of how atrocious this is, and if he bets I just lay it down.

My first instinct would be to check and puke-fold. Everything that villain could be calling the flop and turn with got there. If you really thought villain was a drooler, maybe make a small blocker-bet of $50 and hope to get to showdown cheaply; obviously you have to fold to a shove though unless you think villain could show up here with J9.

Uber-sucky board, but I don't think you're good here very often...

grunch

bad card. However, I would probably bet 1/3 pot as a blocking bet vs this vliian. Also, I would want to get some value from his TP and 2 pair range that this villain is probably going to call with. If raised, I fold.

EDIT:just saw stacks. check fold.

I'd Check, evaluate. Almost all drawing got there so I think a b/f line is stretching it.