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03-24-2015 , 02:43 AM
Playing $1/3 on local casino, play has been running for about an hour.
MP raise to $6
V-calls in MP $180 stack
SB calls
Hero in BB call with AQo, Hero's image is TAG good player, probably best on table with $280 stack, cover everyone.

Pot $24
Flop KJ10 SB-check, Hero bet $14, fold, V-quickly click to $28, SB fold, Hero?
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03-24-2015 , 02:50 AM
$70-80/shove
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03-24-2015 , 02:54 AM
well its relatively important...do you hold a heart or what

we have to 3bet now, and i think we have to go at least 80 probably 90 leaving less than half pot bet for turn so he cant get away on semi scary turns like a heart with his likely 2p or set

obv his A10hh hands continue too and probably snap it off on turn to see river as well...yay
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03-24-2015 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexandar
well its relatively important...do you hold a heart or what

we have to 3bet now, and i think we have to go at least 80 probably 90 leaving less than half pot bet for turn so he cant get away on semi scary turns like a heart with his likely 2p or set

obv his A10hh hands continue too and probably snap it off on turn to see river as well...yay
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So basically we want to get it in on the flop.
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03-24-2015 , 05:37 AM
Play it fast, pot pot pot all the way gii if possible
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03-24-2015 , 07:51 AM
Raise. V will rarely think you have the goods here if you raise and he's likely to go off with TPTk or two pair hands. I clicked it back to 28, maybe make it 60 and give him a chance to put you all in.
you could shove and hope V hero calls but I think 60 or 75 is nice. Even if he flats, the pot is now big enough that you can gii on the turn.
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03-24-2015 , 08:19 AM
Any history or reads with this villain? Make it $75ish. Enough so he may shove the extra $99 on top thinking he has some slight fold equity. Plus you bet $100 ott and he'll be $99 for $274. Just know what you'll do if a heart falls or board pairs. Not too worried about hearts as I think this is KJ, JJ or TT. EZPZ. You have the nuts so whether he knows it or not he's drawing. You need to charge for the privilege.

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03-24-2015 , 08:57 AM
We've been raised with the nuts? Rip it into him on the flop, rip it on the turn.

No more detail really needs to be shared, it's all been said.
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03-24-2015 , 09:01 AM
grunch-I like your lead out so now click it back 75ish. Probably just about anything you do besides folding its getting it in anyways.

Just please dont flat call
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03-24-2015 , 09:34 AM
V has 146 behind ... 80 in pot with your 'call' of the 28 ... 3bet to 78 (raise 50) total giving V 98 behind into 180+98 going into the River after you shove. V gets 3 to 1 to see River.

If you have history with V then you could try to tank shove here but I think you get more calls going smaller. Nothing wrong with a 'go away' bet once in a while either. GL
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03-24-2015 , 09:41 AM
Almost 60% of the time the board is going to pair or a heart will come by the river and we'll be potentially putting money in the pot drawing dead, or the Villain is going to see a scare card and potentially stop putting money in the pot.

This is not a good spot to slow-play.

Raise to around 70-75 and shove the turn.
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03-24-2015 , 12:33 PM
What do we make of the lol $6 open? I'm guessing rarely a monster, right?

I think this is a pretty easy 3bet preflop. Even though we're OOP, we nullify a lot of that by being shortstack (effective stack against Villain is just 60 bbs), although it is a little unclear what effective stack against raiser is. With $18 of dead money already in the pot, I'm probably make it $35 or so, which means we can easily stack off postflop if we flop TP. If no one calls, whatever, $18 in free money, next hand.

As played, pot the flop, an easy $25+. Board is extremely drawy (and no one ever folds a draw on the flop) plus can easily hit a bunch of two pair / pair + draw hands. My plan would be to PSB/PSB/shove.

As played, I would probably just flat out shove now. There's a bunch of scare cards that can slow action on the turn. Villain just minraised us, which means either a monster that he's never folding, or perhaps a good draw (which again he's never folding), or perhaps a "see where I'm at bet" with a weak hand that is unlikely to put much more into the pot. Also, any decent raise size will basically commit stacks anyways, so lets just do this thing.

ETA: No one else shoves here? Half the deck can kill the action, Villain just minraised us (to fold?), any reasonable raise leaves a fairly lol amount behind for the turn (where we'll also feel committed, even on horrible cards).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-24-2015 , 04:33 PM
Thanks guys, i tanked for a second and said all in, V quickly says lets gamble and shows 107
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03-24-2015 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
What do we make of the lol $6 open? I'm guessing rarely a monster, right?

I think this is a pretty easy 3bet preflop. Even though we're OOP, we nullify a lot of that by being shortstack (effective stack against Villain is just 60 bbs), although it is a little unclear what effective stack against raiser is. With $18 of dead money already in the pot, I'm probably make it $35 or so, which means we can easily stack off postflop if we flop TP. If no one calls, whatever, $18 in free money, next hand.

As played, pot the flop, an easy $25+. Board is extremely drawy (and no one ever folds a draw on the flop) plus can easily hit a bunch of two pair / pair + draw hands. My plan would be to PSB/PSB/shove.

As played, I would probably just flat out shove now. There's a bunch of scare cards that can slow action on the turn. Villain just minraised us, which means either a monster that he's never folding, or perhaps a good draw (which again he's never folding), or perhaps a "see where I'm at bet" with a weak hand that is unlikely to put much more into the pot. Also, any decent raise size will basically commit stacks anyways, so lets just do this thing.

ETA: No one else shoves here? Half the deck can kill the action, Villain just minraised us (to fold?), any reasonable raise leaves a fairly lol amount behind for the turn (where we'll also feel committed, even on horrible cards).

GcluelessNLnoobG

yes very well put, shove is best
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03-24-2015 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hkawastaken
Thanks guys, i tanked for a second and said all in, V quickly says lets gamble and shows 107
LOL and they say live poker is dead.
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03-24-2015 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
LOL and they say live poker is dead.
Lol i know - not sure why people insist on saying its dead?

LA live poker is far from dead.
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03-25-2015 , 01:49 AM
all in
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