Flop Nut Straight on All Diamond Flop
Join Date: Jan 2013
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1/2: Table is very loose and sticky.
Hero: $600ish in BB. MAWG playing much more aggressive than most of the table. Basically raising up hands that play multiway in late position and getting paid a few times when I hit and playing pot control / fold when I miss. Covers.
V1: UTG+1. Other aggressive-ish player at the table. $500ish. YWG. Raising a lot from all positions. Only one showing aggression post flop. Raises very light post (tp-gk type hands).
V2-V3: $150-$200ish. Typical loose sticky ABC.
5 limps Hero has QJ hh and checks. I would def raise this in position. Little chance of realizing fold equity w/o massive raise from blinds so I limp.
Flop: ($12) 8d9dTd
Hero makes it $15, V1 makes it $45. V2 and V3 both go all-in.
Is this just a snap fold? Can anybody find a shove here? I range V1 to smaller flushes at best (I think he's raising Axs from any position).
Join Date: Jul 2019
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I would raise this preflop.
Not a snap fold but I think it’s a fold. With a 3 bet and 2 all ins. Chances are small there isn’t already a flush and you are also likely against Ad drawing. You are likely drawing dead.
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yes, limped pot. i fold already folded this when V2 goes all in.
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I raise pre.
As played, this feels like a fold.
At least one of them likely has a made flush, and even if they don't you might be up against something like Ad, 2 pair, and a set, meaning while you have the most equity, all of those have reasonable equity.
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I'm not gonna lie I probably don't fold this...
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This is one of the easiest folds you will ever make in poker. I’d rather raise 72o UTG than call here.
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I hate this spot so much, but we just have to fold. Our hand can't improve, we're in a mw limped pot, and are facing serious aggression.
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This is a trivial fold. 3 different V's showing significant interest? It's almost guaranteed one of them has a made flush and you're drawing dead.
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Easy fold.
You are drawing dead a big % of the time. I would say that percentage is about 70-80% of the time. You never have more than 50% equity in any scenario which you have the best hand, so you are never getting the right odds to play.
You only have $17 invested.
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As others have said, trivial fold on the flop.
Going back to pre-flop, this is a pretty clear raise. Bump it up to $20-25. Would be surprised if you didn't lose at least 2 limpers with a decent sized raise. QJ will often not have significant robust equity multiway. You'll catch a piece of many flops, but will get put in some tough spots on a lot of boards. I would prefer to raise this hand but check a hand like 55 or 66 or ATs in the BB. Also some risky ROI with a hand like this 6-ways. On the other hand it plays very well as a pfr with a range advantage over the limp-call range of 1 or 2 opponents (JT, T9, QT, etc).
Join Date: Jul 2018
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I understand why you asked. You liked your reads against a group of players you've read as aggressive and loose. And who knows, maybe this is the hand the 3 loose/aggro dudes decided to have a dick measuring contest. But there's just no sense in you calling here. The odds are more likely that at least 1 has the flush and you're donezo.
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My first inclination was to snap fold and I paused for a few seconds thinking I had a good range cap for V1 and could probably blow him off a low flush but realized it's still a mistake.
Folded.
V1 folded 24d face up. V2 had Ad + Jx. V1 had Jd7x. Board ran out clean.
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Nice, he reshoved for value and got two guys to fold even better hands.
Trivial fold though, I wouldn't lose any sleep over this.
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