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04-08-2015 , 12:49 PM

w00tz

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My first hand at the table. I have seen vill, he rarely plays. He is on the 30s, tight, the kind of player doesnt bluff nor semi bluff. Mainly ABC level 1 player.

2 limps, hero (HJ) makes it 35, vill (CO) calls, others fold.
Flop: KJ2r, Hero cbets 45, vill makes it 120 with 160 behind. I cover him.
Hero ???

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04-08-2015 , 12:53 PM

Playbig2000

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jam

Edit: I thought we had KJ for some reason. Ak is a lot harder jam. I prob fold if he is really a nit who will never raise with less than 2p or semi bluff so if that is your read, fold

Last edited by Playbig2000; 04-08-2015 at 01:06 PM. Reason: ^

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04-08-2015 , 12:54 PM

sierradave

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I would need a very strong read to fold tptk on this board for this stack size. We're afraid of KJ and sets. We just sat down, so we don't know if the guy is on tilt/playing abnormally. We also don't know if he calls with KJ preflop, or if he raises the flop with a set and position.

I think it's a jam. Need a soul read to fold, and we don't have one yet.

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04-08-2015 , 12:58 PM

Playbig2000

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I thought we had KJ for some reason. Ak is a lot harder jam. I prob fold if he is really a nit who will never raise with less than 2p or semi bluff so if that is your read, fold

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04-08-2015 , 01:02 PM

wewa925

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Only hand I see him cold calling your raise pre is JJ. Probably folds 22 and KJ. Could see him limp calling those hands along with QT. Your Cbet sizing is too small for flop. As played, you got off cheap. Sigh fold.

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04-08-2015 , 01:04 PM

wewa925

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^actually, were only 320 eff to start hand. Standard stack off here this shallow with tptk.

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04-08-2015 , 01:33 PM

answer20

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Standard stack off spot??? Show me a V (ABC rec nit) range that we are 40% against so I can jam 50bb into an =EV spot at best.

Bet more on Flop and be happy he didn't call his way to valuetown here. GL

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04-08-2015 , 01:51 PM

YawnsIEs

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Originally Posted by answer20

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but if you play with a shorter stack you'll have higher variance. You'll be put into spots where you don't really want to be but have to call/go all in because of your stack size.

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04-08-2015 , 02:44 PM

kekeeke

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If he doesnt do this with a draw or combo draw you're splitting at best so I prob fold.

I don't care about spr.

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04-08-2015 , 03:14 PM

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Javanewt

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Based on your read, this is a fold. I don't see how it can be anything else. At best you are chopping.

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04-08-2015 , 03:40 PM

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runlikeadonkey

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Why is this a standard jam spot? What hands is he going to be raising with against a preflop aggressor, with a cbet on a board that would definitely connects with the preflop raiser's range. I would definitely reconsider jamming here. If he really is an ABC level player he will only do this KJ, AK, JJ, 22. Definitely would not do it QT. He is reraising with KK(only 1 combo anyways.)

I agree with Javanewt, this is a fold. At best you're chopping. Easy to get away from with no reads.

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04-08-2015 , 04:52 PM

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eyurus

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If I KNOW V will only raise with better here, then there's nothing to discuss and it's obv a fold. I'd have to have a very strong read/history to fold though. If he's an unknown or I'm unsure, I'm getting it in w stacks this short.

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04-08-2015 , 05:10 PM

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agnostia

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all in. you're not folding.

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