1/3 table

Effiective stack 400

Hero tight/aggresive image

Villian very solid tight aggresive player. Decent chance he plays poker for a living.

Folds around to villian in the button. He raises to 20. 20 is reasonable for this table. Sb is his poker buddy and folds (no point playing against each other). It is clear that villian's hand range changes by position and his bet sizing also changes. (Smaller when closer to button)

Hero raises to 55 with Q8h villian calls.

Hero assumes that villian would raise a very large majority of hands (eg 60% and call 30% of all hands) not sure if the 30% assumption is accurate.

Board comes 844 rainbow.

Hero checks

Villian bets 85

Hero?

Fold pre
30 otf, as played fold

Fold pre.

Is there a heart on the flop?

1) With him opening so big you really don't need to defend that often, definitely not as wide as Q8s.

2) If you are going to 3bet bluff, it needs to be much bigger. Make it at least $75.

3) I'd start by betting this flop to deny equity to hands that have decent equity vs you but will fold to a bet. I'm ok with x/c as well but we have some less vulnerable hands that we could do it with instead.

Also is he opening 60% of hands to $20 otb? Or is he opening 60% of hands and this one he happened to open to $20? The latter is more concerning.

And is he defending 30% of all hands (i.e. 50% of his opening range) or is he defending 30% of the time that he gets 3bet?

If he's opening 60% of hands, all to $20 And only defends 30% of the time we 3bet then this play is fine with atc. If it's mostly anything else then were burning money here.

If you decide to reraise V with Q8 then you would have to lead the flop. He probably outlapyed you with J7 or something . Just fold it and go on

yup. FPS at it's best.

fold pre

players who 3bet Q8 from the blinds then don't know what to do when they flop top pair shouldn't be 3betting Q8 to begin with.

I don't mind the 3bet too much if this guy has been raising most BTN. Your hand almost doesn't matter. You just have to 3bet him sometimes -- if he will fold. If he's the type to call w/ any two, forget it. If he only raises, even IP, with decent hands, just fold.

For goodness' sake, bet the flop! Now I don't know what you should do. How would you play an over pair?

Why are we attempting to get into a pot with a very solid likely professional quality player OOP with a very meh hand? Is this how we're making our money at this table? Trivial fold preflop for me, next hand, imo. ETA: If you are sitting at a table where "defending you BB" has to be a necessary part of your strategy (including against a likely professional player), then you are sitting at a *horrendous* table.

As played, I dunno. I feel sick to my stomach that I've been called and now have to play this guy OOP in a huge bloated pot. I probably lean towards a bet to keep repping what I'm repping knowing that I also have a slight hand to back it up. I wouldn't hate checking in a high SPR pot for pot control in an attempt to get to showdown cheap, but that bus left the station preflop in this SPR 3.5 pot.

Gknowswheremymoneycomesfrom,anditain'tinthisspotG

I checked with the intention of going all-in which I did. I assumed that if I lead on this flop he would call with almost anything that he called pre-flop but if I check to him he would lead pretty much all his 3bet calling range and most of the time would fold to all-in (bluff)

Not sure if this is the right line. Folding pre probably much better decision than getting this fancy.

He is opening probably 15% of all hands. But I think he would be opening 60% in this case because he is in the button and villian understands positional poker.

Yes one heart.

Stuff like that is why I disregard 99% of whatever 'reads' people have on Vs in HH threads (they're either contradictory, wrong, or just irrelevant).

60% is basically ATC and TAGs don't play ATC even OTB.

The problem with check/shoving the flop is that he folds worse and calls with better.

Smaller overpairs JJ-99 (maybe even QQ) are kinda in an ugly spot and might fold.

Even getting two overs to fold here after having put in extensive money into a big pot postflop with our very vulnerable meh hand (that hates a lotta turn cards) ain't a terrible result either.

GnotsayingIagreewiththisline,justsayin'G

Is this really how you guys would play AA/KK? I hope it works. Once H checked the flop, I was lost -- would never have crossed my mind.

60 seemed reasonable for him otb when he knows two tight players are behind? What would you say appropiate range would be?

Yeah, that's exactly how I would play TT+. Might check fold AK, AJ though. Not sure if this is right.

How can I possibly answer that without having played with V or you giving us at least 1 more hand history? Or even just knowing how the game was played in general before this? hyperagressive? tight passive?

How long have you played with him before this hand? Prior sessions? 1 hour? 6 hours?

If he really is opening 60% of his BTN hands to $20, then by all means 3! him, and then double & triple barrel w/ atc.

A guy just wagered twenty dollars to take your three dollars.

Laugh at him and fold face up and show him your hendon

we need to take your preflop play out back behind the shed and have it euthanized.