sorry if sloppy, still in middle of sesh, trying to post in between hands.

effective stacks that matter SB $200, utg+2 $445, hero $500.

literally just bought in 5 hands ago, no reads to go off... I'm hj+1 and get dealt 33

4 limpers, action to hero who makes it $35 to go, SB ($200 effective at this point) calls, utg+2 calls as well. pot ($125-$135)
flop comes 3,10,6 heart club club, SB checks, utg+2 checks, hero bets $135, SB ships for $165 total, utg+2 cold calls(roughly $350 behind), hero...??????????????:confused :

why raise pre?
why bet more than the pot on the flop?

Are you really confused? Both S/B and UTG+2 can have: (1) any club draw with a s/c, Ax, Kx; (2) combo (78 or 89); (3) J-A10 or (4) 10s or 6s.

You're not deep enough to fold now the pot is $640 and you have $340 behind. Also, you have position, with the option of checking behind any scare cards (i.e any ).

Definitely should bet/call any non turn IMO.

I'm never folding, turn is q clubs..utg+2 checks, hero...

ship flop

Hero can't re-raise after S/B c/shoves.

Grunch

Wtf this whole hand is played totally unorthodox and now yiure trying to figure out what to do when u flop a set? Get the money in ASAP ott

I'm checking behind here, without a strong read on UTG+2. He's not likely calling with just 10x, unless he has A or K.

Since you haven't given any descriptions of the players, it's hard to recommend a turn bet. Does UTG+2 bet into draws? Does he float flops? Is he tight/loose pre-flop? Have you seen him check/shove turns or rivers?

as stated previously, no prior reads as I've never played with any of these players and havent even been seated for an orbit, I actually went ahead and shipped the turn, got called, river was complete brick, utg+2 tables 1010 for 101010, SB mucks, hero puts bullet in foot.

not too sure why this viewed as such an unorthodox style, basically raising with position in order to A) get others to fold and win pot now (in which case $35 probably wasn't enough) B) build pot for occasions when I hit my set C) preflop raise allows me to continue story on later street. why I bet pot on the flop is because my thought is SB is rarely folding any 10 or fd, pair+draw,etc so that's $$in the bank. by checking the flop i feel like I've basically given up on the hand if a club comes ott whereas my thinking is if SB ships otf and utg+2 ships over the top I can cry for about 2mins and 17 seconds before calling and losing to utgs set.

yeah total brag about losing with bottom set, can't believe this wasn't recognized sooner.

It's pretty clear this hand is a cooler. I don't hate that you shipped turn, although a check behind is a better play IMO (some might disagree). It would have been interesting to see how Villain played river if you didn't ship turn. If Villain checks river, for instance, can you justify checking behind? Generally, I believe you would have to ship here. However, if Villain ships river when a brick lands, you probably can find a fold, especially without any specific read.

PS. I don't mind the raise preflop, given you're in late position. Much prefer a raise to a limp, as it disguises your hand well, and gives you a greater edge postflop.

Fold the flop.

Raising PF is okay, but probably better to overlimp when you are read-less.

Check the turn back and shove non-club rivers.

And the whole "disguises your hand" reason for raising with pairs is silly imo.

Why would you raise with 33 if you didn't intend to disguise your hand? Do you prefer to play face-up? Or are you just hoping to flop an over-pair?

Also, folding flop doesn't make sense, given stack sizes. This is a clear mistake in your analysis and a classic example of results-orientated thinking.

Why are you raising pre flop with a speculative hand with effective stacks under 100bbs? Small pocket pairs inherent value comes from playing high SPR multiway pots. If it folded to you then I like raising to play a HU pot IP in a single raised pot. Trying to isolate a few limps will usually result in bloated pots.

Luckily for you you flop gin and are now questioning what? Unfortunatley the SB doesn't have enough to reopen the pot so all you can do is call and evaluate some turns. If he jams a turn club you will be getting $980/$350 (2.8:1) and will need a little more the 26% equity to make a call.

Raising this hand pre flop is costing you money in capped games.