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Flop bottom set vs EP 3bet deep. Flop bottom set vs EP 3bet deep.

11-25-2018 , 11:29 AM
Local 1-2 game. Hero has 700$ has a tight image thus far most likely. Have only shown down winning hands. Won a few big pots early on with premiums.

Villain is 20-30ish wg. Has been deep since I've sat down. Seems like an ok rec player this far. Only played a few sessions with him. Did enter a 3bet pot with him an hour earlier. I open LP. He min 3bets from BB and I call. Flop is 568r. He bets I call. Turn 4. He bets I raise as a bluff repping the 7. He flats and leads river. I fold. The board hit my calling range much better than his but without more reads and history I let it go. I figured I had little fold equity if I jammed over the top.

On to the hand is question. One limp to me I get 3d3s in CO. I make it 12$. My stack is 700$. Villain with 600$ 3bets from the BB again to 27$. I call. Being plenty deep and with such a small 3 bet I'm getting perfect conditions to set mine. As I push my calling chips out I mutter" sucking me in eh?"

Flop (50$) falls Kh10h3c. Villain bets big at 45$ I raise to 125$. Villain tanks for a moment and flat calls.

Turn 300$ comes brick 7d. He pauses for a moment and checks. I bet 145$. He calls.

River (500$) comes Qc. Villain shoves all in for his remaining 300$ish dollars.

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11-25-2018 , 12:00 PM
Gross. If you ever need to fold a set, this might be the spot. Not sure I could do it, but you look pretty strong, and he doesn't care. I guess the history hand leans toward a call, but you don't actually know what he had. Maybe it's time to go with your gut.
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11-25-2018 , 03:31 PM
Played a couple sessions with him. And this is best description you can give us?

By now you should have some semblance of his 3bet tendencies. Is he aggro, is he passive preflop and postflop.

Regardless of how this hand played out. Your biggest mistake. Is not having decent read and game plan for this villain.


Preflop is fold. We a super deep and can setmine. But given lack of reads. We can't even put together a profitable plan.

Flop: We hit gin. Board is really dynamic. We can't narrow his range because we have zero reads. I am willing to raise here and get it in. But you need to have plan. He just bet pot.

Turn: I over bet jam. We can have a ton of bluffs here. If you do not have image to get paid off once in awhile. $145 may get value from AA and AK. But also gives a bunch of flush draws a good price.

If he is calling $145 he is calling $190-$220. So don't leave so much value on table. Make it $220


River: No reads so have no clue. Not going to comment.

He would have less induced spazz if he didn't have $300 behind yet.

Overall, it looks like you didn't have plan on any street. And where just trying to click appropriate buttons. I have said this many times in this forum. 22-55 do not play well deeper than 200BB.

300BB deep. You need a game plan before we raise flop. With lack of reads we likely shouldn't be bloating this pot on flop. It already is going to be massive pot with pot size flop bet.

Last edited by mikko; 11-25-2018 at 03:42 PM.
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11-25-2018 , 05:03 PM
Yah not folding once you take this line. Call and nh.

Your river pot is wrong it’s actually $590 so the shove is a half pot bet. When you raise flop and bet turn this is the only logical conclusion.
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11-25-2018 , 09:40 PM
Flat the flop
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11-25-2018 , 10:17 PM
His preflop 3bet and flop continuing to raise range should consist mostly of AA, KK, TT, A♥️J♥️, A♥️Q♥️, AK, KQ, Q♥️J♥️ QQ(?).
I’d expect KK and TT to either bet or check raise the turn with reasonable frequency, so we are mostly afraid of AJ only. I’m not sure how often villain gets to the river with this gutshot but certainly if it’s AJ♥️♥️.
Your earlier hand history is interesting imo. A lot of recs who get raised, call then bet and get opp to fold have a lingering perception of opp to be a little FOS and capable of raising as a bluff.. likely a lingering thought on flop here.
I mean to call here, we’re basically needing V to have missed a draw, or turn a hand like Q♥️J♥️ Into a bluff or overvalue KQ.
Given hand history, plausible hands we beat and really only 1hand we’re really concerned about, I wouldn’t hate a call but I’m deff not happy about it at all.
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11-25-2018 , 10:22 PM
Also turn has to be ~$200
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11-25-2018 , 10:44 PM
Spoiler:
I ended up calling and he showed down AA surprisingly and I scooped a massive pot. Learned quite a bit on this villain. He took almost thr exact same line with the previous hand I mentioned so he seems to overplay his over pairs and it's a big possibility he had the same hand on the previous hand where I tried to bluff. Like I said only played a few times with him but got lots of info here. This hand got me wondering how far and deep we should be pushing bottom set sorts of hands when this deep. His huge flop bet had me thinking he had a value hand but would he really bet so large if he flopped top set? Possible he could have 1010 here but I feel like rec villains will flat that hand a good portion too. Don't see many other hands but draws and I don't see his QQ ever making it to the river. His river jam boggles me as well. AJhh was definitely a hand I worried about and made the most sense given the action but that's one combo. I felt like I will be beat some portion of the time but was happy to see him married to his AA
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11-25-2018 , 10:53 PM
River is a snap call, and villain shoves bigger sets on turn almost always

Straight very unlikely on this run out
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11-25-2018 , 11:22 PM
Tiny 3bet size and spazz stack off...see this so much in 1/2 and screams AA...villain is Fish.

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11-26-2018 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Small Blind
Tiny 3bet size and spazz stack off...see this so much in 1/2 and screams AA...villain is Fish.

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They're mad that you got there. They need to teach you a lesson and punt their stack to do it.


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