1/2 game. I've been playing tight for 40 hands. I have an app at the table that records preflop raises and VPIP. I'm at 20/15.

I have slowly chipped up from 200 to 250. Mostly by taking flop pots that everyone seems weak in. I've only shown two hands where I raised preflop AA and everyone folded, and the very next hand got AKs, everyone folded again, and I showed it.

Villain 1 is UTG and his stats are at 60/35. He was at the table before me. He's a maniac, very aggro. Always continuation bets and fires multiple barrels easily.

Villain 2 is MP. Sat at the table same time as I did. His stats are 40/5. I've seen him three bet 99, and then play his set he got on the flop aggressively, called by Villain 1 who had three of a kind. He is an older gentleman, and I honestly think he has alzheimers, constantly forgetting where he is. That was the only hand I've ever seen him aggro in. Most of the time he just calls people down. I've seen him flat preflop with AK.

I'm on the button with 97s. I have $250 and cover the table. Villain 1 raises to $9. This is his standard raise. He has $200 behind him. He keeps rebuying to keep himself at $200. Villain 2 calls. He has roughly $100. I call. Everyone else folds.

Flop is Q 9 3, two diamonds. I have hearts. Villain 1 makes it $15. Basically every hand he's seen a flop he has done this. Villain 2 calls.

I'm thinking Villain 2 could have a wide range of hands here. diamonds, JT, middle pair, anything. He played super aggressive the one time he had a set, so I think my middle pair may be good here. My plan is to call and then pull the trigger on the turn if a safe card comes.

The 7 of spades comes. Villain 1 bets out $30. Villain 2 calls.

I shove. no flush, no straights. I'm feeling good.

This a good line of thinking?

If u think one of them will call its fine otherwise i might just make a more standard raise and hope the drawing hand comes along... Who ever has the deeper stack you want to keep them in... So if theyre made then you need to finesse it a little more and not really worry about the shorty. The idea is to figure out who is drawing vs who has say tp and take the best line to get value from the larger stack imo... Your bet looks like a protection type bet which could make a tp hand correctly fold..esp with your tight image.. In some spots i may even just flat depending on dynamics..

So rereading the post it looks like v1 has a made hand and the shorty is prob on a draw.. So i might just flat/raise small in this spot and if it bricks out on rvr then shove over v1 bet to make it look like you missed your draw...

u have a live hud? lol, that must be tedious af

With these stacks shove is fine. If v1 has a Q he'll call, v2 has half his stack in already so he's prob calling where as if you wait til river he folds bricked draws.

I'm unclear what we were thinking before we turned 2p. I'm fine with peeling a card and we may have the best hand some of the time but your title and "pulling the trigger" have me confused.

nope, takes a second to quickly put preflop action in. Donkey Tracker for Android

Sorry should've been more clear. This is the first time we've been in position when the maniac raised. We're usually out of position, and I normally don't limp pre flop. He folds to action if he doesn't have anything, and shuts down on the turn.

I would've called with anything. J6, J2, in order to steal the pot from him if he has nothing, which is most of the time. I just happened to have suited connectors.

On the flop my thinking changes. I have middle pair, and from the action and thoughts I figure I might now actually be calling and betting for value instead bluffing.

Pulling the trigger just means raising I guess. If I hadn't hit the 7, The turn bet and call I would've thought we were beat, and probably hadn't done anything. If V1 checks and V2 bets I would think we're beat and fold. If they both check I would make a half pot size raise and shut down to a call, checking behind on the river.

I shoved instead of min raising on the turn because there was 108 dollars of not my money in the pot, and I was perfectly happy with that and not getting outdrawn. I've seen V2 fold with being pot committed.

Also shoving is something I do alot in these spots. I find that in 1/2 no one is going away with top pair, or even a draw, so I extract as much value as I can.

There screams out at me.
You can't be scared man, you gotta let them outdraw you if they are willing to pay a steep price. By shoving, you've set that price super high.... How often is he going to get that 3-5x outer against you?!

In saying that, I do not mind the shove if you think the maniac will call with any draw/queen.
Also I don't mind shoving if you know that if you bet $100-120, and the diamond comes, and you can't fold to the villain when he shoves for the remaining $30-50 into xxxxx$.

What's the live HUD app?

Yes, the flop is the interesting spot here. I think this is at least very close to a fold. Yes we may have the best hand, but the opponents have to have something, and there are a ton of awful runouts that will beat us or make us fold even if we're currently ahead. If we could just float this bet and get better information from the action on the turn, I would be comfortable calling here. However, V1 is described as someone who bets all the time, and V2 is somebody who calls all the time. Most likely, the turn action will be bet-call as well, whether or not we are ahead, and I think we have to fold then.

I don't think raising immediately is a very good play, since our hand fares pretty poorly if called and we likely won't get enough folds to justify the raise.

Is floating planning to bluff the turn a better line? (And maybe this was your plan all along?) This is a pretty intriguing concept, and the turn raise is likely to get more folds than a flop raise, and we can bail out if a bad card comes on the turn.

This is a play I use as often as I can, where the scenario permits. A good setup for this is an aggro player betting and a loose passive player calling and we have position on a flop that isn't too wet and isn't too dry. This hand is pretty much a perfect example, other than I am more likely to float with a gutshot than immediate showdown value.

Flop is a fold, and pre is a fold at this stack depth unless you have very good reads and a plan. Calling to hit or to "see what happens" is burning money.

I would also delete the UD app from your phone and stop showing people your hands. I think you will find your life easier if opponents are guessing about what you have rather than thinking you have the nuts every time like you have been showing. Regarding the HUD app, you would be better served paying attention to your opponents mannerisms/behavior than entering their stats into a a phone.

Yeah.

If you are calling pre with 97s this short when an opponent in the hand is 40/5 you obviously don't know what you are looking at when you see the stats anyway. Not to mention the live sample sizes for these stats make them mean way less than they do online. "Yeah that guy raised that one time with a set" is not a good base for how a guy will play in every spot that he has a good hand.

97s is a very standard button call with 100 BBs, especially against a very loose raiser. I'm more likely to 3bet it than I am to fold.

Call me a wimp but I just can't bring myself to attempt floats vs 2 villains. I mean I will bluff at orphan pots on flop or turn if it gets checked through to me but I'm not going to call flop and then raise the double barrel + caller with negligible equity. Isn't that just asking to get called down by the passive cally player???

Also if I had reasonable equity and was in this situation with two bad players betting and calling small I'd prefer to take the decent pot+implied odds and see if I hit my hand and get value out of one or both of them.

I suppose being polarised on my turn raises won't be terrible - as long as I have some actual fold equity and don't have some station accidentally make great bluff catches against me every time I do it with gutshots or total junk.

I'd love it if this actually worked at 1/2. Maybe I need to be braver. Who here would take this line?

+2 on Flop being a fold and pre too. Not deep enough to call 9 unless you stack villain EVERY time you hit (hint: very unlikely).

AP though if anything, I think flop is Fold>Raise>Call. Floating against twp players on a draw heavy board makes no sense to me unless you have such a stone read which you don't.

like the call prf like the flop like the turn everything is fine imo

Shoving the turn for value is fine. Shoving to force draws to fold is -EV. I like the shove, as SPR < 1.0, so trying to milk them with a smaller raise just doesn't make sense. If anything, a smaller raise removes draws from YOUR range (if they are thinking players).

We're a little short for this float, and I don't love overcalling the flop once short-stacked V2 has already called in front of us. If stacks are deeper ($200 and $300 instead of $100 and $200), I'd definitely make this play, with a plan of betting the turn if both of them check.

Even though SPR is now small enough to warrant a shove, I'd probably only raise to $100 here. That's enough to put V2 all in, and enough to make the river a trivial shove. But psychologically it means that V1 gets to decide between raising all in or folding with his top pair, instead of deciding between calling all in or folding with his top pair.

Nobody likes calling off their stack with a vulnerable hand. It isn't fun, and it isn't macho. That goes double for maniacs, who want to talk themselves into believing that their bets are daring and potent and can force everyone to fold most of the time.

I'm surprised anyone is advocating folding at any point during this hand considering the descriptions.

I'm re-raising pretty much every turn card as well assuming the turn action is the same.

Just saw V2 starts with $100, which means I'm re-raising all non diamonds and non-Ks.

Preflop is a fold. Even before considering the $100 stack to act behind you.

You are too shallow to be calling raises for 10% of your stack with 9high.

I'm generally inclined to call pre, only problem is, I don't like it that V2 is so short.

I wouldn't need much equity to ride out a cbet, backdoor draws are fine but only if V2 drops. If V2 calls the cbet, he's showing some strength, and with his stack size, he has a hair trigger.

Given the board texture and V2's play, I think it's kind of nuts to call this flop. You don't have to win every single hand.