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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
I can maybe see flat calling this on the button. I was in a similar situation i posted about where i was also on the button with same exact hand and an unknown opened, reg 3bet, and i elected to 4bet. Well the UTG raiser flatted and the reg jammed on me w some low pocket pair and I wouldve flopped top pair so i definitely regretted it. And for that reason, that its a strong hand we dont mind calling with and we dont want to get jammed on, i think its fine to flat here.
We have trips and your villain is prone to doing goofy stuff. Even if he wasnt I dont see how we could ever fold vs anyone unless we were crazy deep.
You could bet all kinds of stuff on the button when checked to here. Pocket pairs, any 9, any straight draw, any flush draw, so villain cant really put you on that tight of a range. He can jam with w QTs, QJs, same hand, and also every straight and flush draw, plus total air he decides to spaz with based on your history. You are beating way more than youre losing to. This is a snap call.
In most 1/3 games, at least where I play, there's not that much 3B'ing, and what little 4B'ing there is, it's usually just a 4B-jam. My 4B'ing range at 1/3 is going to be somewhat dependent on my read of V's, but it's going to vary from pretty strong to extremely strong.
KQs just doesn't fit well in that range, knowing we'll end up facing AA/KK/QQ/AK/AQ a lot, and we'll be dominated more often than not. We'll always fold KQ to a 5B jam, and it'll be rare that an opponent will call with TT/JJ, we'll spike top pair, and they'll want to gets stacks in.
It's really unusual to be in a 3B pot after flat-calling pre, then having action check to us on a high-paired and two-tone board. Like, it happens so rarely that I don't know how I'd range opponents, or what our betting range is supposed to include. Obviously QX, JTs (if we even have JTs as a 3B-cold call), 99, and some PP's that need protection, like TT/JJ, maybe 88, and if we got there with A9s, I guess that too.
No idea how many flush draws would make sense. AKs might be a 4B pre. AQs/AJs/ATs/A5s might be flat-calls or 4B's, I guess. I shouldn't be showing up here with KJs or worse KX, I'd think.
Seems to me like a 3B-cold calling range is going to have a lot of KQs / QJs / JTs type holdings that look attractive pre, and are going to be fairly playable post flop when we're IP. So if I'm either V, and the BTN cold-calls the 3B pre, then bets this flop, I'm going to think he's got some piece that is no worse than A9s or JTs, but could be Qx or 99 a lot of the time.
I wasn't trying to say in my OP that I was seriously considering folding here. But I wasn't entirely sure V would be spaz-raising with air or just a draw very often, given that he knows I know he's capable of that, and he's stuck four buy-ins, this seems like a board that would smack my range, and I shouldn't be stabbing at this pot against two opponents in a 3B pot without a real hand.