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10-02-2021 , 05:37 PM

Mr.Jones

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Hero, viewed lag $600

V1 $180 loose fish, calls down w any top pair. Calls down any draw. His standard open was $12. Showed AQ twice.

V2. $500 Another loose fish

Live 1-2

V1 utg 2 opens $20 (huh? Feels like 9's-kings)
V2 calls $20
Hero otb calls w Ac5c. (Felt If I three bet I'm getting 4 bet)

Flop ($60) Ad7c7h

V1 rips in $160
V2 folds

Hero ????? To me it feels like again he has a Broadway pair, doesn't know what to do, so just rips it.

If he has a big ace, there are no threatening turn cards?

Are you calling or folding?

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10-02-2021 , 05:46 PM

Mr.Jones

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Also, I played with this guy before and I'm very happy to have him at my table, and. I've never seen him do a crazy over bet like this

Last edited by Mr.Jones; 10-02-2021 at 06:05 PM.

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10-02-2021 , 05:48 PM

ssmallz

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Seems like an easy fold here absent a specific read that's aggro or crazy. Typical loose passive fish don't go bombing a $60 pot with air. Any ace has a you beat and he can certainly have you dominated w/most of his range. Just pick a better spot

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10-02-2021 , 07:03 PM

WereBeer

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Yeah I'm folding, he can have better aces here all day long.

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10-02-2021 , 07:16 PM

Garick

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Easy fold. When a passive fish suddenly becomes an aggro fish, TPNK is not the hand to take a stand with. Sure, sometimes it's JJ playing spray-and-pray, but it's more often an over-excited A, or even AA. Hell, could even be 77, though that's obv just one combo.

Last edited by Garick; 10-02-2021 at 07:17 PM. Reason: Also, I fold pre against a V opening bigger than normal who is unlikely to fold post.

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10-02-2021 , 07:48 PM

Mr.Jones

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Originally Posted by ssmallz

I agree on picking a better spot, but quite commonly I have seen this done with Kings.

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10-02-2021 , 08:05 PM

Magnum1111

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I think you should probably fold pre but if you are going to call with a little suited Ace in a large-raised pot like this, you're really hoping for a straight or a flush or a strong draw or hoping to take the pot down easy with a bet in position. None of which is going on here.

The SPR on the flop is very small. 2.6. So I think you should be willing to get all in with overpairs and good top pairs.

I actually agree with your analysis. I don't think it is AK-AQ because a normal raise would be fine with those hands. It does feel like a hand that he likes, but he doesn't want too much action with, JJ, TT, 99 like you said. I would be tempted to call.

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10-02-2021 , 10:04 PM

PokerPlayingGamble

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fold pre, fold the flop

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10-02-2021 , 10:45 PM

PZ2

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Fold pre for sure.

But I might be levelling myself a bit - would an ace or seven really play this way? I’d be very very tempted to call.

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10-02-2021 , 11:57 PM

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Mr.Jones

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

fold pre, fold the flop

If V2 wasn't $500 deep I'd fold pre. V1's non standard open size $20 (his previous $12 opens were shown AQ) made me think my A was live.

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10-03-2021 , 12:36 AM

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RobertUCooper

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The mistake is preflop, if he is opening to 10bb and has a call, you should not have a calling range, 3-bet or fold (and if you dont understand the theory behind why to never call you should do more work on preflop)

Flop is irrelevant because you shouldn't be in this spot, but its more of a reads thing than anything so pretty hard to advise without being in your game, you would have better reads than any commentator

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10-03-2021 , 10:28 AM

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nutsornot

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Fold pre vs the short stack opening bigger than usual, V2's stack size is irrelevant when your looking at your implied odds pre.

On the flop, players that spaz jam here with 1010-KK will also do it with AK because they just don't know what to do on the paired board oop and don't want to deal with facing a raise. Fold flop, maybe your good sometimes but probably not often enough to make it a profitable call.

But really just fold pre.

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10-03-2021 , 01:52 PM

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Mr.Jones

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Originally Posted by nutsornot

What if instead we had AcJc?

Call pre then call off otf?

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10-03-2021 , 04:10 PM

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PokerPlayingGamble

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I would also fold AcJc to the 10x open.

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10-04-2021 , 01:51 AM

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RobertUCooper

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

I would also fold AcJc to the 10x open.

Close between 3-bet/fold at least, you should never call vs. 10x open

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10-04-2021 , 01:43 PM

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Mr.Jones

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Results. Told myself he never has an Ace, and called. Was wrong, he blasted off with AK. Why he played AK that way still boggles my mind.

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10-04-2021 , 07:07 PM

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Garick

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Why he played AK that way still boggles my mind.

Because sometimes it works.

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10-05-2021 , 01:40 AM

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JayKon

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jones

Results. Told myself he never has an Ace, and called. Was wrong, he blasted off with AK. Why he played AK that way still boggles my mind.

Take this as an object lesson.

The biggest pots you win will be when you play in a way others don't believe you would play.

The biggest pots you lose will be when you make a massive misread of how your opponents are playing their hand.

It applies in all games.

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10-05-2021 , 04:05 PM

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WereBeer

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I would not have put him on AK but can easily see him having A9o or some chit and shoving because he doesn't know what to do.

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10-05-2021 , 07:28 PM

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Amanaplan

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He's just some jerkoff playing horribly, and you chose to play worse and reward his bad play. There is no reason to call this bet, you just laugh and fold and fold pre if that's his range and he has 160, sure V2 is in there deep but it's going to take a lot to get meaningful access to the deep stack in this setup.

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10-14-2021 , 11:29 PM

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ssmallz

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jones

I agree on picking a better spot, but quite commonly I have seen this done with Kings.

Not saying that people don’t show up with kings here but how often does that happen? Does this player show up often enough to make calling here profitable? Probably not. Your read is that he’s loose passive which means bad. He’s not thinking about blowing you off a pot. He’s just thinking “me have hand, me bet”. Against these types of players just find spots with huge value and make them pay. Don’t overthink it

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10-15-2021 , 07:45 PM

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AceDeuceSuited

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jones

Results. Told myself he never has an Ace, and called. Was wrong, he blasted off with AK. Why he played AK that way still boggles my mind.

Noob perspective:

Maybe it takes one to know one, but reading the OP I was almost certain he had AK, maybe AQ.

There are so many Ax hands he could plausibly have that are crushing you post-flop. I have no idea what he was afraid of, but I don't see anything short of an ace there.

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