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First shot at 1/2 [did I misplay?] First shot at 1/2 [did I misplay?]

04-20-2024 , 12:39 PM
110bb EFF

Ad Qd

Hero UTG Open to 3bb
Loose reg 3b! To 11.5bb
BB�� calls 11.5

Hero 4b! 33bb

Reg Call
BB Call

Flop 10s 8d 10c

X through to the turn 7d

BB Checks

I shove for just under pot and got looked up by the BB with pocket 99’s

The river bricks out, for anyone wondering.

I would be checking overpairs on that flop multiway, and as I said this was my first shot at live after playing micro’s online. This might just be a blast off from me…

Last edited by neverfloppedaset; 04-20-2024 at 12:58 PM.
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04-20-2024 , 02:13 PM
At 1/2 few villains are thinking about your balance in this situation. They are looking at that big pot and figuring if you don't bet the flop you don't have a pair. It helps villain call a bit that the turn gave them an open ended draw, giving them more outs if you do have a pair.
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04-20-2024 , 05:41 PM
For future reference, many here find it makes discussion easier if you just use dollar amounts, rather than increments of bb's.

I would have just flat called pre. 4B'ing here is over-playing AQs.

Other than that, I agree with the post above. When you 4B pre, it's pretty much mandatory that you c-bet the flop, with very few exceptions, those mostly being situations where you simply can't ever get called because the board is so scary for everyone but you.

As played, I think I'd just jam this flop. My reasoning is that we're repping big over-pairs when we 4B pre, and there just aren't many hands those big PP's need to worry about on this board. If we have AA and our opponents have 88 or Tx, nice hand, good game. But we don't want to give free cards to J9 or 97, or let worse PP's spike a sneaky set on the turn. Most of our AA-QQ are just going to jam this flop, so that's what we need to do with AQs, after we 4B pre.

If we get snapped off on the flop by JJ or 99, so be it. We've got 6 outs twice to make a better 1P, or we can go runner-runner to make a straight or flush. Between the massive fold equity we get from jamming almost 80% pot, and the equity we have when we get called, I don't think jamming here is going to be too big a mistake.

But, as played, nah, give up and check back on the turn. Once you check flop as the pre-flop 4B'er, there's almost no chance any bluff is going to get through. A bet is only folding out worse high-card hands, and probably isn't even folding out AK.

If you think about it, it's unlikely either V is calling your 4B pre with 55 or worse pocket pairs that are going to fold now. The 7d brings in J9, pairs 97 and A7s, makes 77 a set, gives 66 and any Jx an ISSD, and makes 99 open-ended. KK and QQ aren't folding now, not that they would have necessarily folded to a flop jam, but they might have.
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04-21-2024 , 10:57 PM
Welcome to the forum, OP. In the future, please don't post results (including your last action) until the hand has been up for at least 24 hours, or until discussion dies down. They bias people's responses.

Advice above is good. 4b is bad vs live genpop, and turn is bad after checking flop. FWIW, I find live 1/2 Vs very unbelieving on paired boards, so I usually would give up OTF with no pair. Others seem to have different experiences and argue that Vs overfold on paired boards, so take my position with a grain of salt, but I've found it pretty consistent. Basically, Vs love to "put you on AK," so if they have a pair, they generally aren't folding. Especially not after you checked flop, but I find often all the way down.
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