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02-27-2018 , 10:36 AM
Hi guys, new to the forum. Humor me with this one.
1-3 NL. I’m in small blind with AK suited. After a few limpers I raise to 15. Big blind villian pops it up to 105. Folds around to me. I tank.

We both started the hand between 350-400. I’ve been playing an hour and have got some pretty good hands so may have a LAG rep. Villian is 30 something that hasn’t played much. I was leaning on reshoving, but am currently a tad under rolled, so begrudgingly mucked. I really felt he was playing AK, QQ-10, yet, I still folded.

How bad was that lay down?
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02-27-2018 , 10:58 AM
not bad at all
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02-27-2018 , 11:26 AM
If he's a tighter player like you said, I think this is fine. I think you need to give him credit for AA & KK in his range as well. Shoving is the only other option here, and our goal is to get him to fold the TT/JJ hands. If he calls with 100% of his range (which would include AA/KK) then shoving is no bueno.

This is a bit of a feel spot, where if I feel that this guy is maybe opening up a bit because I've been active, it's a good spot to rip it in. If I've been tight and so has he, I'm ready to kill the hand.

There are a lot of different ways to play AK in this game, and knowing when to play it strong and when not to is going to be an important factor in your winrate. It's a hand you will see a lot and you will almost always find yourself in at least a mid-sized pot with it. People here like to joke about JJ being the tough hand to play, but I see so many people mis-play AK at the tables it's criminal. I see guys leave tons of money on the table when it's clear they have the other guy dominated, and I see them stack off with it when they're way behind. More mistakes are made with this hand at LLSNL than probably any other.
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02-27-2018 , 11:34 AM
Folding is fine to a guy who hasn't played much, especially if your under rolled. nothing wrong with the fold at all.
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02-27-2018 , 01:30 PM
One perspective I have (and I'm not an expert) is that most 1/2 or 1/3 villains are not capable of bluff-3-betting, especially not that big. If a player is capable of making this play, I think it's fair to give him credit for being a good player (EDIT: As long as he's not 3-betting 20%+ of course, but I think you knew what I meant). Profit doesn't come from pots played against good players, it comes from bad players. Furthermore, you DEFINITELY do not want an aggressive player to your immediate left. I agree there's no shame in folding AK there, and I would say there's also no shame in asking for a seat change or even a table change.
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02-27-2018 , 02:15 PM
We've had a lotta AK-getting-3bet-preflop threads lately. With no other real dead money significant to stacks and kinda readless (therefore defaulting to a typical live 3bet being a very large hand), it's really perfectly ok to quietly fold, imo.

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02-27-2018 , 02:29 PM
Fold is fine. What do we do with JJ or QQ here? Fold JJ jam QQ?
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02-27-2018 , 03:42 PM
Welcome to the forum, OP. I'm going to grunch this, which means answer your OP without reading any of the replies.

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1-3 NL. I’m in small blind with AK suited. After a few limpers I raise to 15.
That's too small. My standard open in most 1/3 games is $12 plus $3 for each limper, plus another $3-5 for being out of position. So assuming 3 limpers, I make it $25 here. Depends on your game's standard open, but definitely more than $15

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I really felt he was playing AK, QQ-10, yet, I still folded.
Why do you make this read? AA and KK are more likely than all of the range you put him on, imo. 3-bets are pretty rare in live, and are usually quite nutted, especially big ones like that.

If your range was correct, you should shove, as he might fold a lot of that, which is an awesome result for you, and you are flipping when he calls.

Your range isn't correct, though, imo, and therefore your fold is good. I'd put him at all combos of AA/KK, half of AK/QQ, and maybe 1/4 of the JJ/TT combos.
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02-27-2018 , 05:26 PM
Out of position and having invested just $15, I think its fine to let it go. Shoving would be breakeven EV at best and the variance is not something you are willing to stomach.

If we were deeper and in position, is it ever smart to flat here? Or do any overcards put a typical live villain into Check fold mode, hence making a shove a more EV move?
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