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Facing a small Turn donk bet with TPTK Facing a small Turn donk bet with TPTK

10-12-2023 , 12:51 PM
Game is $2-$100 spread-limit, which will matter here.

I’m $300 deep, Villain covers. 11:00 AM weekday. We played a big hand just 30 minutes ago:

I raise K9dd UTG to 7. A call. Villain 3-bets to 14. I 4-bet to 42. He calls. Flop 9 high rainbow. I bet 60 he calls. Turn 4d gives me flush draw. I check, he puts me all-in for $100, I call, he has QQ, I don’t hit.

So this hand: $4 UTG straddle on. Guy limps. I make it $15 with AcQc. Villain calls in BB. Limper calls. 3 ways.

Flop: Qs9s6h (pot: $45, 3 ways)

Both check. I bet $35. BB Villain calls. Limper folds.

Turn: Qs9s6h 9d (pot: $115, heads-up)

Villain leads for $50.

Is this pure call, or raise to $150 for value?

Last edited by davomalvolio; 10-12-2023 at 01:09 PM.
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10-12-2023 , 05:00 PM
Preflop: I'm probably raising to $20 here with the straddle on, trying to get it HU. But you know your game there, so....

Flop: I'd probably go smaller, maybe $25, but we got HU.

Turn: Standard Baluga Theorem (turn aggro is usually nutted at live No limit) is that the BB V has way more 9x but H is uncapped and can have QQ, so I think we conclude that V is heavy on value and light on bluffs here.

A read helps of course. But in your previous hand, V had QQ and took a standard line. I think GTO is call here because we are too high in our range to fold getting 3-1. I think it's probably a Baluga fold against the LLSNLH population and maybe a raise/fold against a wiseguy.
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10-13-2023 , 04:52 AM
So.. at NLHE I would just call this as stacks can easily go in OTR.

My thinking here is that its okay if you just miss some value by just calling. I don't know...I guess you could make it 150 and then fold if he makes it 250 ? lol..

Any reads on V? If he was a real bad player this could be a 9x, sometimes reaaaally new players at my game play 98 or T9 or 97 this way.
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10-13-2023 , 11:23 AM
I'd call. If it's a semi bluff with JT, villain just charged themselves a decent price. If you saw something like $20 then maybe consider a raise

Agree w/ Spanishmoon raise more pre. Flop bet looks good, it's a wet board, get value from draws and weaker Qs
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10-13-2023 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
So.. at NLHE I would just call this as stacks can easily go in OTR.

My thinking here is that its okay if you just miss some value by just calling. I don't know...I guess you could make it 150 and then fold if he makes it 250 ? lol..

Any reads on V? If he was a real bad player this could be a 9x, sometimes reaaaally new players at my game play 98 or T9 or 97 this way.
When the middle card pairs, it's often a solver approved line to donk. Middle pair generally favors the person who called the flop and often times it can get checked through. It's not necessarily a really bad play to donk here.

As played I would call turn. Villain can just have 9x, but there are so many draws available. Front door spades, and JT, T8, 87 are all 8 out straight draws. A couple of gutters are also possible. If he had bluffs, let him bluff. We can probably call most rivers for $100, maybe we get away from it if a spade comes out. We're just allowing ourselves to be stacked by 9x here if we raise, and potentially allowing his bluffs to not call and not fire river.

Not sure how I feel about flop sizing. In true no limit I like betting smaller like $10-15. But there is an argument for sizing up because of the spread limit. As played, it looks like facing a max bet on the river keeps the pot the right size for the strength of our hand. My question is what does our range want to do on this flop multiway? And I'm not really sure.
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04-24-2024 , 04:40 PM
UPDATE
Quote:
Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Game is $2-$100 spread-limit, which will matter here.

So this hand: $4 UTG straddle on. Guy limps. I make it $15 with AcQc. Villain calls in BB. Limper calls. 3 ways.

Flop: Qs9s6h (pot: $45, 3 ways) Both check. I bet $35. BB Villain calls. Limper folds.

Turn: Qs9s6h 9d (pot: $115, heads-up) Villain leads for $50.

Is this pure call, or raise to $150 for value?
I’m so sorry, I never finished this.

RESULTS: I raised to $150 and he called.

River: Qs9s6h 9d Ad (pot: $415, heads-up). He checks, I go all-in for my last $100, and he calls with KQ, My Hand Is Good.
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