Site: Hollywood Casino, Lawrenceburg, IN
Game: 1/2 NL

played for about 3hrs vs opponent and he could be classified as someone who is probably a winner at 1/2 but definitly is someone who employs a lot of fancy play.

Ive seen him
-over limp raise PF once (no show)
-one other time L/R
-15x PF w/J8s vs 6 limpers OTB (got 1 call flopped flush/no action/showed)
-C/R a few flops with air

-But to his credit he does slow down when hes played back @ strongly, controls the pot size with his marginal hands, but pushes his strong hands and bluffs, draws strongly.

My image
-A mix of LAG and TAG (not veering way to one end or the other)
-Haven't shown down many hands but the ones I did were very strong
-Raised limpers alot but only about twice vs this villain (both coming in last 10 hands.) Havent really played back at him much at all. We've pretty much stayed out of eachothers way.


Hand:

$200 deep effective. villain has me covered

MP: Limp
MP2 (villain): limps
HJ (hero): (99) makes it $14
Folds to MP2: makes it $35
Hero???

Given your observations up to now, how do you not plan for this when you decide to raise?

You'd love to take down the pot with 99 PF, but there's no reason to think this guy is going to let you--in fact, every indication is that he's going to make it extra expensive--so why not get in cheap and try to hit a set?

The Internet tough guy in me says shove; his raise is pathetic and you're ahead.

The Internet jerk in me says fold, you've botched the hand and can't be trusted to play well post-flop, so call the $14 loss a lesson learned. Next time, plan for the obvious.

when did i say I didnt plan for this to happen?

I like a min raise to $4 preflop to setup a good situation if we hit a set. As played, how does he hand his big pairs postflop? I'd assume no one would get away from KK on a 9 8 4 board here. I think you can win about $100 at least postflop if you hit a set, giving you the right implied odds. And of course if he doens't have a big pair your implied odds drop but you have the best hand now if thats the case.

he wouldnt stack off in a limped pot. he'd do something like call a flop raise and turn bet/fold river.

Sorry, I thought his l/r surprised you.

I guess it depends on how you want him to play against you. Personally, I don't want someone thinking they can make fancy plays against me with any two cards, so I think I'd want to send a message that he needs to play more straightforward against me. That message involves chips and a shovel.

shove it and let him muck AJ face up

If you planned for it, what was the plan? I think only you can really make the best decision since villain is a tricky player and you have experience playing with him.

I'd just shove AI. His raise is weak and given his description I think you're ahead a majority of the time.

Actually read the other posts this time, too. Wish I didn't. I wonder if you even read the OPs, Yodachoda. How you can even suggest a min raise let alone a min raise in this table setting is just beyond my level of thinking. Do you even play live? We have a spewy villain who is just begging for us to raise so he can try and take it away!

Wow!

When i raised the whole plan was to find a way to attack his aggression so I was looking more for the manner in which to do it.

I made it $100 he folded AK faceup

Since he limped behind a limper, THEN reraised, his range is a bit weaker. A big hand usually will not risk a cascade of limpers, but is willing to limp FIRST then reraise. Even so, I think shoving preflop is spew because you're probably like 25% against his all in range. Just flat preflop. If it's a dangerous flop and he bets, fold. If its a ragged flop and he checks, bet. If its a ragged flop and he bets big, probably fold.

I was waffling between a 90-100 bet and a shove. I think both have their weak points.

Were you going to call if he shoved over your $100?

If villain's are l/rr/folding AKo you can shove a massive range here.

Can someone else back me up here in saying that Yodachoda is NUTS? Your math is soooo off. Read the initial post about the villain!

Why am I nuts? His range is something like 77+, A10 suited+, KJo+, right? We're 50% against the nonpairs, big favorite against a few pairs, big underdog to most pairs. That's somewhere below 50%, probably 30%ish.

well hes folding most those to a 4B. The only real value in this hand really comes from the amount of times he folds PF.

He showed AK so my hand probably works as a bluff aswell as it may fold out TT/JJ.

The only alternative lines would be to

-call and shove over most Cbets
-limp (which i kinda wish i just did)

Limping makes the hand easy to play but I atleast set up a dynamic where i am perceived "table captain" and this opponent just doesnt try to mess with me.