Normal Friday night $1$/$3 game and the stacks are getting deep.

V1 is super aggro Vietnamese, mid 40s guy. He opens pre-flop wide and frequently. Bets big on all rivers, with or without a made hand and seems incapable of folding pre-flop. I have called his river overbets with A high twice, once I was good and once he had backdoored a full house with 84. He is truly the "any two cards" player. Has ~$1200 behind.

V2, late 20s Indian guy has played very few hands and has bled down to $140.

V3. Mid 30s Asian woman. New to the table and gives an air of inexperience without anything specific to justify that observation. $290 stack.

Hero. Mid 40s MAWG. Known reg in room. Considered a winning player that makes moves but based on earlier action with V1, is likely viewed as calling too much. $650 behind.

OTTH. V1 opens for $12 from UTG, V2 calls from UTG+1, I raise to $50 from MP with two red Queens. V3 cold calls and V1 and V2 both call fairly quickly. Flop is T73, all hearts. V1 checks and V2 shoves for $90.

Folding seems too weak on such a wet board but jamming seems too strong for a one pair hand with two players behind. Flat? Does it induce a spazzing from V1 or potentially give a free card to V3? What's my action?



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60 pre maybe
Flat flop, youre right about raising
I do not think we should be worried about giving V3 a free card, if She calls and A or K turns, its an easy check/reevaluate based on V3 action/sizing

Easy jam. Pot is 400 after you call and you started with 650. You get a ton of value from every player. Giving a free card is disastrous.

If you shove flop you will always get stacked when V1 has a better hand and never get action unless you are behind or V1 has the Ah. The thing about ATC players is that they have way more flush and two pair combos than any other players would so you have to be cautious getting money in with one pair on wet flops like this.

Overwhelmingly people are very straightforward on monochrome flops. You will very rarely get bluffed on these. Only the best players will raise the naked A, generally when you get raised they will have two pair plus or a made flush.

I would call flop. You can evaluate if you get raised. You should bet more turns if the flop gets flatted.

I would call and evaluate if raised. I think a shove is just risking too much. Sure, our hand gets turned face up a little but V3 and V1 still need to beat V2 even if they do try and apply pressure.

There's 290 in the pot and it is costing you 90 to call. You have to be good about 25% of the time to call. Given that a tight player called a 3 bet and shoved the flop, you're not ahead much more than that. I'd call the jam and fold to any raise.

i really disagree with these responses. here's why.

v1 is a se asian with a huge range. these players love to gamble. from my experience, he is not folding a T + a heart draw. his range is so enormous and we need to get value as well as protect our hand against better hearts. when he calls it is much much wider than sets 2p and flopped flushes.

v2 sounds like a one-bullet type of player because: a) he's sitting with $140 without reloading, and b) he committed himself pre-flop without shoving which is just an awful play unless he has AA. these players typically have high cards or medium pairs. they don't want to commit without seeing the flop. a lot of times this is a semi bluff because if this player flops as much as overs + a high heart he is going to shove pretty much 100% when his stack is 1/2 the pot.

not sure what v3 is up to but i wouldn't be surprise if her range is similar to v2.


versus v2 and v3 we are 100% committed. we are likely crushing v1's range, but another card may kill our action or allow him to make a better hand. doing anything but shoving here is inexcusable. the pot is 380 after you call and spr is very low. calling here and folding to a jam v KhT or the bare Ah is laughably bad.

There's $200 in the pot and you've got $650 behind.

I rarely recommend min-raising, but this is one of the few spots where a min-raise to $180 here actually seems like a good play. Your plan is to shove all turn cards that aren't: Ac, As, Ad. The reason is because it's hard for someone to have Kx (I'm far more afraid of an Ace than a King) and we want to build up a side pot to give people some incentive to call off a $470 turn shove with Tx.

If either player shoves then I'm just getting it in here.

Thanks for the responses. I think there is a good argument for both the flat call and the jam in this spot (folding is clearly the wrong play). The min-raise is an interesting third option but it feels like that would commit me to the pot if V1 decided to jam.

I took the most passive option and flatted the jam from V2. V3 also called, leaving about $150 behind and the aggro V1 folded. The turn was an off suit 4 and I'm first to act. Bet enough to cover V3 or check the turn?


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I'm not a fan of our preflop 3bet sizing as it gives V1 18+ implied odds, which is too good, imo, especially when we'll be creating a small SPR pot and will feel committed for stacks if we flop an overpair. I would most likely lean to a bigger preflop raise, and make it about $90ish. V1 is a gambloorer and might still call, and otherwise if we take down 9bb preflop risk free, whatever. If table is aggro at all, I also think flatting isn't horrendous.

I kinda hate these postflop spots, but I would probably jam V3's stack as she only has a PSB left or so, and being inexperienced could easily call off with worse. Doubt V1 is going to get too out-of-line in what is a semi-protected pot, but things can obviously get fairly gross if he gets involved.

ETA: Actually, if we raise to V3's stack, that will leave us with just $400 left in what would be a $790 pot if V1 calls and V3 folds, and I'm guessing we feel pretty damn commited in that spot. So I'm cool with jamming the flop, especially since V1 is a gambloorer and could easily call with worse.

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now it's time to value bet and commit. v1 didn't jam over your flop bet, so unless he flopped a (probably nut) flush, you're good. IMO we now see the obvious problem with not jamming flop. if another heart came it would be hard if not impossible to get value. as played, v1 was able to profitably call flop with a single heart against your hand to try and spike on the turn. it's arguable that you were able to get a little value for your hand by flatting, but i would go for maximum value and protection early.

imagine you flat flop and a heart of an inconsequential rank turns. what's your play? how about if an Ac turns? how about a Kc?

So to close this one out, I bet enough on the turn to cover V3's stack, and she called it off. The river bricked and I scooped. V2 showed KT and V3 mucked what I can only assume was AhX.

It was a fairly big pot to win with only a single pair and I really wasn't sure whether it was played correctly or not. Thank you for your insights.

DD


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