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02-14-2024 , 03:14 AM
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AsAc BTN

Straddle 10, UTG2 calls, folds to me, raise 45, UTG2 calls rest fold

Flop 96Tr, opponent checks, I bet 50, they call

Turn 6h check check

River Qd opponent bets 110

Fold/call/raise?

And is betting turn better here?
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02-14-2024 , 03:24 AM
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Iso bigger, bet flop a little smaller.

Bet turn big probably pot or 1.5

As played raise river small.
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02-14-2024 , 11:09 AM
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I wouldn't mind a slightly bigger raise pre, but 45 isn't terrible on the BTN.

I could go a lot of ways on the flop, but probably not checking back too often. Heads up, I probably bet around half pot (as you did), 2/3 if the flop was two-tone, 1/3 if it was more disconnected.

Turn doesn't change anything unless V gets here with some 6x. He shouldn't. I would bet again, at least 2/3 pot.

As played, when we check back turn, V gets to the river with hands that have us beat, like QT, J8, KJ, and Q9. I probably just call, not raise. Definitely never folding AA to a 1/2 pot bet.
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02-14-2024 , 12:16 PM
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I like pre and flop. Turn I probably bet again. The only reason I check turn is to get him to bet river, which I just call, but it's very V dependent, and we don't have any info.
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02-14-2024 , 12:20 PM
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I think 45 pre is fine, 55 is fine too imo.

Since we checked the turn, I would just call the river. If he calls a raise, we're most likely beat. He did the betting for us anyway maybe thinking we have AK.
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02-14-2024 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by docvail
I wouldn't mind a slightly bigger raise pre, but 45 isn't terrible on the BTN.

I could go a lot of ways on the flop, but probably not checking back too often. Heads up, I probably bet around half pot (as you did), 2/3 if the flop was two-tone, 1/3 if it was more disconnected.

Turn doesn't change anything unless V gets here with some 6x. He shouldn't. I would bet again, at least 2/3 pot.

As played, when we check back turn, V gets to the river with hands that have us beat, like QT, J8, KJ, and Q9. I probably just call, not raise. Definitely never folding AA to a 1/2 pot bet.
Agree with river call. Just noting that we have Aces up with the pair of 6s on the board, QT and Q9 are still losing to us.

Are many Vs floating flop with KJ/J8, we think? We probably would've heard from V on flop if they'd 87. I'd also think a 6 is betting bigger on the river, but idk.
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02-14-2024 , 03:00 PM
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The more this villain is passive and straightforward, the more likely you should bet the turn. There are draws available and you won't be able to collect from them on the river, plus a Tx holding will call more when they still have top pair.

As played just call river. Folding is absurd. Could support a min-raise if we think two pair hands like QT and Q9 are a large part of villains range and would pay off. But there are a few straights out there now
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02-14-2024 , 03:36 PM
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I would go bigger on flop. A limp caller has a lot of hands that connect with this flop and can call bigger bets. Its not like a K 7 2 rainbow. I would go like 80-90 on flop.

Turn I would keep betting. The 6 doesn't change a lot, im not really worried about. I would more check back stuff like 7, 8, 9, or 10 turn and bet the rest.

As played folding river would be insane and theres no reason to raise. Just call.
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02-14-2024 , 06:07 PM
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Agree with river call. Just noting that we have Aces up with the pair of 6s on the board, QT and Q9 are still losing to us.

Are many Vs floating flop with KJ/J8, we think? We probably would've heard from V on flop if they'd 87. I'd also think a 6 is betting bigger on the river, but idk.
Goddam, that pair on the board gets me every time when I read these threads.

I literally could not feel more stupid reading this.
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02-14-2024 , 07:06 PM
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I think a bigger preflop sizing is a solid takeaway here, seems like people are largely solid on betting turn and just calling river as well.

Also, annoyed with myself for not including this, but opponent's stack and therefore expected stack at the beginning of the hand is about 500.
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02-14-2024 , 07:12 PM
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I think a bigger preflop sizing is a solid takeaway here, seems like people are largely solid on betting turn and just calling river as well.

Also, annoyed with myself for not including this, but opponent's stack and therefore expected stack at the beginning of the hand is about 500.
I think you mean effective stack, not expected stack.

Doesn't change much in the analysis, since we're not raising.
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02-14-2024 , 09:15 PM
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I continue turn. Agree that 6 does not change much.

As played seems like a pretty trivial call. Not sure what worse calls us (or better folds) if we raise.
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