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Facing C/R on river with 3rd nut flush. Facing C/R on river with 3rd nut flush.

09-02-2014 , 05:38 PM
2/5 NL
This is a hand that occurred Sunday night at my table and Im NOT the Hero in this hand. But I think my thought process in the hand may have been off and wanted to clarify.

Hero (~1000) 30s white male, playing TAG, seems competent and a regular.
V1 (~1200) 30's white/mixed? male, never seen him at this casino but playing like hes experienced.
V2 (~400) 30's Black male, LAG to maniac. raising and losing pots and needlessly bloating pots and calling off stack with mediocre hands. Seems to be on tilt.
V3 (1200) 30's Asian male, playing LAG but Ive played with him many times and is a good and tricky player. Regular at our casino and usually seems to know what hes doing.

V1 limps from EP and raised to $25 by V2.
V3 Flats from LP and Hero calls from the Button with 10J
V1 calls.

flop ($105) A26

V1 bets $55, V2 folds, V3 raises to $130,
Hero calls, V1 calls.

Turn ($495) 7 V1,V3, Hero checks.

River ($495) 9 V1 checks, V3 checks, Hero bets $145

V1 calls, V3 raises to $650. Hero?
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09-02-2014 , 05:43 PM
Honestly it may sound nitty but we are not closing the action on the flop. I may very well fold to the reraise. New don't have overs and we don't have a draw to the nuts. As played i think river is a fold. We have shown some strength and we have a cold call and a ship. This is rarely a bluff with air. Sure that villan may be capable of bluffing with the nut blocker, but I don't think I'm willing to call it off to a check raise hoping to see a bluff. It is just so rare vs even tricky thinking players.
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09-02-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed
Honestly it may sound nitty but we are not closing the action on the flop. I may very well fold to the reraise. New don't have overs and we don't have a draw to the nuts. As played i think river is a fold. We have shown some strength and we have a cold call and a ship. This is rarely a bluff with air. Sure that villan may be capable of bluffing with the nut blocker, but I don't think I'm willing to call it off to a check raise hoping to see a bluff. It is just so rare vs even tricky thinking players.
+1.
one thing to add, how could villain have the nut blocker? very unlikely too
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09-02-2014 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
+1.
one thing to add, how could villain have the nut blocker? very unlikely too
Some players fitting villain's description would 3bet AK less than 100% of the time, so his range on the flop might include AK.

Hero and V3 are both competent regulars, so this is highly dependent on past hands between them. One thing it depends on is if the river bet-sizing looks weak to V3. I have actually bet smaller than usual on the end just to induce this sort of raise from a bluff or a player over-valuing a smaller flush, but there are only a few regular opponents I would try that against. (They all are tricky Asian LAGs, for whatever that is worth.)
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09-02-2014 , 11:45 PM
Grunch

Flop is a fold after the reraise, IMO. We have a draw that could very well be third best (k and Q). I'm a nit
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09-02-2014 , 11:57 PM
Exactly KQcc is the only hand that beats you, unless Villain plays K8-

There is literally no reason for Villain to check to you expecting you to bet, since you have not made a single aggressive action in this hand. A LAG is betting with a made flush there. I would call.
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09-03-2014 , 12:16 AM
tough one cause they need to have 8cXx for you to scoop the pot. i fold.
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09-03-2014 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
Exactly KQcc is the only hand that beats you, unless Villain plays K8-

There is literally no reason for Villain to check to you expecting you to bet, since you have not made a single aggressive action in this hand. A LAG is betting with a made flush there. I would call.
I can see villain having K6 or Q6.

Hero totally looks like a flush that got there, so Villain should check the nut flush if hero never raises with a flush but might call a check-raise.
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09-03-2014 , 12:50 AM
Flop is a clear flop. You're cold calling with an obvious draw against a bet and a raise and your draw is only to the third nuts. That's a clear losing play. On river bet bigger for value and so you don't induce things. Also betting big allows an easy bet fold unless villain is known for CR bluffs.As played probably call but not happy about it. Your small bet could induce smaller flushes to raise and induce bluffs. I wouldn't be in this spot though
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09-03-2014 , 02:09 AM
Fold flop.

Against this opponent, with a terrible original river bet sizing, and few combos that beat you, I call.
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09-03-2014 , 02:19 AM
If V1 is giving a clear physical tell that he will call and not re-raise on the flop, does that make a call become borderline tolerable to anyone who counsels folding the flop?
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09-03-2014 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
If V1 is giving a clear physical tell that he will call and not re-raise on the flop, does that make a call become borderline tolerable to anyone who counsels folding the flop?
You seem to know a lot about the hand, which casino do you regular?
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09-03-2014 , 11:04 AM
This is a very easy flop fold. But if you're going to flat the flop, at least bomb the hell out of the turn to try to rep a set. Otherwise your hand is painfully face up.
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09-03-2014 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by chokeholdem
You seem to know a lot about the hand, which casino do you regular?
I was almost certainly not at the table during this hand, as I have not played at a 2/5 game on a Sunday night this year. The casinos I am at a regular at are not on the East Coast.
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09-03-2014 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
Flop is a clear flop.
I agree flop is a clear flop.
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09-03-2014 , 11:40 AM
Don't cold call the flop. Don't fold river.
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09-03-2014 , 01:23 PM
I thought Vs hand was pretty polarized at this point and thought that he had a hand like K6cc or Air. Hero (who is not me) immed. to my right went into the tank for about 7+ min so I figured that he mustve also had a flush. Someone was about to call the clock on him so he sped up the thinking process and lifted up the edges of the cards for me to see that he had a real decision.

My initial thought was to call wondering if V would check the nuts both on the turn and river poss. getting no value for a made hand.
Hero reluctantly called, V1 folded and V3 turned over K6cc.

I initially thought that this was just a cooler and calling was still the correct play. But after sometime I thought about the freq. of LLSNL players check raise bluffing on the river and its low freq. so I just wanted to get some opinions. Thx
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09-03-2014 , 03:35 PM
If hero looks 50+, jam flop.
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