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Facing 5x pot shove what is our calling range preflop? Facing 5x pot shove what is our calling range preflop?

11-18-2021 , 09:14 PM
Kind of a weird spot that came up in my game today.

Villain just lost 1k in a double board PLO bomb pot. It was sort of a cooler. So he’s steaming. Have seen him 3bet some to normal amounts before the cooler.

Table is generally fairly aggro pre, not much limping, more than half of hands are 3bet pots.

2/5 and the T/20 double straddle is on. 8-handed.

Hero opens UTG (effectively LJ) to $75.
CO calls, SB calls, Villain in BB tanks for 30sec and then jams for $1100.

What hands are we calling off with?
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11-18-2021 , 10:02 PM
55 Straddles, probably JJ+ and AK. The fact that he deliberated for 30 secs before pushing makes it less likely to be a steam push and more likely a legitimate push that he hopes will appear steamy.
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11-18-2021 , 11:09 PM
AA, KK, AK
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11-19-2021 , 07:33 AM
Are you still playing PLO?
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11-19-2021 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Are you still playing PLO?
No, sorry, should have clarified we run a $10 ante bomb pot once per orbit. This is a NL hand.
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11-19-2021 , 10:46 AM
Its not much more than a pot sized shove, pot sized raise would have been $780.

Any reads on the player? Any history?

If V is decent he could have just been tanking thinking about his 3! sizing and realized that any normal 3! here oop to the PFR is going to leave him like 1/2 of a pot sized bet on the flop if he gets it heads up. If it goes multi-way its even worse for him so its probably somewhat correct for him to jam his entire 3! range here in the BB because of the dead money and the fact that he started the hand with only 55 bb.

But again, is he good enough to realize that or make the adjustment?
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11-19-2021 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nutsornot
Any reads on the player? Any history?

If V is decent he could have just been tanking thinking about his 3! sizing and realized that any normal 3! here oop to the PFR is going to leave him like 1/2 of a pot sized bet on the flop if he gets it heads up. If it goes multi-way its even worse for him so its probably somewhat correct for him to jam his entire 3! range here in the BB because of the dead money and the fact that he started the hand with only 55 bb.

But again, is he good enough to realize that or make the adjustment?
Would a 3bet to 325-375 not be a more standard play? I am asking because I honestly don’t know.

Not many reads. From his demeanor I would guess he’s one of the weaker players at the table. I saw him varying his opening sizing in earlier spots. One hand he opened to 65, another hand he opened to 35, both over a 10 dollar straddle.

Only prior HH I have isn’t so relevant. He opens in MP and gets 3bet by CO, calls. 964 flop goes check check. Turn 6 goes check check. River J he leads for 2/3 psb and gets a fold from A-hi. Claims he had KQs, and I believe him.

Last edited by ChaosInEquilibrium; 11-19-2021 at 11:00 AM.
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11-19-2021 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by nutsornot
Its not much more than a pot sized shove, pot sized raise would have been $780.
Pot sized raise would have been 75+20+4*75=395.
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11-19-2021 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
Would a 3bet to 325-375 not be a more standard play? I am asking because I honestly don’t know.

Not many reads. From his demeanor I would guess he’s one of the weaker players at the table. I saw him varying his opening sizing in earlier spots. One hand he opened to 65, another hand he opened to 35, both over a 10 dollar straddle.

Only prior HH I have isn’t so relevant. He opens in MP and gets 3bet by CO, calls. 964 flop goes check check. Turn 6 goes check check. River J he leads for 2/3 psb and gets a fold from A-hi. Claims he had KQs, and I believe him.
Well if we think the live 3! sizing is 3x the open + 1x for each caller in between +1x for being oop then a standard sizing would have been $450, but the problem for V is:

you call, others fold, pot = $1080 and he has $650
you call, CO calls, sb folds, pot = $1455 and he has $650

it makes it really hard for him to play the majority of his 3! range with that SPR especially when he misses with his suited broadways or see's over cards to his PPs. The correct adjustment for him would be to jam his entire 3! range with his stack depth instead of leaving some silly sizing behind.

But all that goes out the window if you think he's one of the weaker players at the table and varying his sizing pre based off hand strength.

Against that player type I'd probably just fold everything except QQ+ & AKs
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11-19-2021 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
Pot sized raise would have been 75+20+4*75=395.
Lol yeah I completely fat fingered that

Last edited by nutsornot; 11-19-2021 at 11:24 AM.
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11-19-2021 , 04:57 PM
So, I messed up the title, shove is technically for 3.5x. I guess this seemed rather large and was hoping to get some feedback on what it represents.

My thinking is that it’s usually TT-QQ and AK and less often AA/KK. I called with QQ and V has JJ. We run it once and scoop. I think I might call also with JJ/AK but it seems a bit more borderline.
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