1/2 NL Live

Villain is Utg+2 early 50's car salesman first time playing together seems standard TAGish
Hero is HJ with 9s Jc

Preflop action:
V opens for $11
H Calls $11 (I call here from the HiJack expecting that no one will overcall, leaving me with position.) hence the lax starting hand requirement.
Pot: $25

Flop: 9h 7c 2d
V bets $27 (odd overbet)
H calls $27
Pot: $79

Turn: 9h 7c 2d [9d]
V bets $55
H calls $55 Tanks for about 2 min before calling seriously considering a raise but honestly wasn't threatened
Pot: $189

River: 9h 7c 2d 9d [8s]
V moves all in for $450 and the way he said it seemed like he wanted a call

What range/hand do you put him on, and what is your move?

98 is extremely likely. This is a pretty easy fold. Aside from bluffs, the only real hand you beat is 9-10 and you can't expect that he will get crazy with that. A bet like that generally means he hopes you hit a straight or a full house.

He overbet the pot, then slowed down on the second nine, when went crazy?
Strange line, really. More information on Villain, his recent hands, overall image would be helpfull.

He more than 2x'ed shoved the river? Wow. I'm folding to any recreational 50 year old TAG without the effective nuts.

Despite your hand strength and your under-repped hand, you beat a bluff and only a bluff. He is never playing an overpair like this unless we have a read that he is a maniac who likes to give away money. He is only river shoving A9, a boat, or air.

He must show up with air ~43% of the time to call. Fold.

easy fold.
what i notice from live table, a overbet on river from amature players at live table = MONSTER.

villains like this can easily have AA-TT, I would likely put in a crying call.

Prepare to cry your money away, villain never has bluffs here and while sometimes people get out of line you loose so much money calling this off here.

Why are we calling with J9o. Seems like wishful thinking.

Fold flop, analyzing this spot is meh. Its just way better spots then calling down. With vulnerable tp meh kicker.

Otr easy fold, you beat nothing he shoves with.

Grunch,

Are you really calling a raise from a TAG with J9o? You will lose money if you do this. Your justification is also wrong. You have the CO, BTN, SB, and BB all still to act behind you. The only way you are ensured no one else is calling is if you 3 bet that pot.

I guess you can make the argument that villain is deep, but how are deep are you? There is no way I can justify calling pre-flop with J9o.

Fold preflop, fold the flop, call the turn, call the river because you hurr durr have trips and he could be overplaying AA

seriously though, fold PF. I have no idea how deep you are but I'd fold PF.

Actually really surprised people are saying "easy" fold. Im snap-calling. The way we played our hand doesnt look like we have a 9, and old nitty players go bunkhouse with overpairs. What do we think he raised pre with? A9? I mean, whats a realistic hand that beats us? And dont say TJ....older gentlemen sure as hell dont open TJ pre and def dont barrel it off post-flop. Hell, being utg+2..50 year old guys woild more likely open-limp 77 than open-raise. I think his range is greatly weighted towards and overplayed overpair. (Say that 10 times fast)

Fold pre. Some arguments people give on here for why they call pre-flop with marginal hands are okay, but the argumens are never good enough. J9o cause you have posistion and you hope no1 will overcall? You could call 30-40 hands in a session with the same reasoning lol. Its a leak.

He's not an old nit that goes bonkers with overpairs. He's a 50-year old recreational player labelled as TAGish.

He isn't going into deep analysis ranging us and deciding hes betting for value or as a bluff, hes betting his hand strength and hoping we have something to call with.

When there are 250BB overbet jams from recreational players after the flop, you should put less emphasis on the 10BB preflop action when your trying to construct a range.

Okay. So tell me...what beats us? Realistically? From a 50 year old TAG? And of course im going to consider his 10bb raise pre when im putting him on a range after he shoves 225bb's. What kind of a comment is that?

77,88,A9s all hands he would make this play with.

88's pretty reasonable here too imo; if turn was a J i'd be much more likely to call the river overbet than when it's a 9, because 88 could justify that turn bet as well given that the board paired.

98 would be really silly given the description of the villain.

We really need to put in a small turn raise here. Anything that will bet or call the river will call a reasonable turn raise.

Looks like he flopped a set and turned a boat. His relatively small turn bet meant he wasn't afraid if you calling anymore. That or aces, but id need more info on the player to know which it is. If he's really bad its aces. If he's really a tag, he has a boat.

Tbh, id be more inclined to fold if we raise turn and he jams over us. AP, we're just so under-repped.

PF is a fold, not close.
Flop is a fold, closer.
Turn is a raise.
You are 0/3 on streets correctly played until the River.

You're asking the wrong questions.

as played snap call and crack his AA/KK

Results? Not that they really matter.....just curious.

Bottom line, the chances that someone described as a recreational TAG has worse than J9 when the size of his river shove is 225xBB in 1/2 NL are very, very low. He rarely if ever has pure air or a worse 9 shoved for value. This is a big hand almost always.

Can't say I've never done it myself preflop, but you shouldn't be in the mix here to begin with, J9o is horrid in this spot regardless of position.

His line might be weird, but remember, not everyone playing live plays the way we advocate here. This may simply be his way of getting value out of a flopped set or weird 9's full.

Sounds like AA to me! I play with these fools all the time...he's not concerned with pot control or that we severely over-bet the river all he knows is he has pocket aces and the Hero hasn't shown any strength so he's sticking it in.

Call. Villain has overplayed AA enough here.

This +1000.

I can't believe how many ITT actually think V is shoving like this with an overpair when the top pair on the board pairs AND a straight card lands on river.

This is why I overshove my monsters in this spot, because so many players are itching to stack off here against imaginary hands they beat.

Rec players are RARELY if EVER shoving in this spot with a hand J9 beats.

Guys, this is a super easy snap fold AINEC.

Don't be the donk that calls in this spot. Unless V is a super LAGTARD maniac, he is never bluffing here.

Or put another way, there is no way these types of players bluff enough here in this spot for this call to be +EV.

Yea, but think about it for a second. Both of you are correct....he's never bluffing here and he isnt. If he has AA or KK, he thinks he's shoving for value. Keep in mind....villain has absolutely no clue we have a 9. Especially the way we played the hand. Ive seen 1/2 fish bomb AA and KK on every street. They assume if they lose, its a "cooler".